That seems a very odd idea to me. I would much rather people truly believed in what they said, and did things because they think they are right, than only do things that they believe will advance themselves personally.

Does that include the voters in the brexit vote.

Originally posted by Lyons550
I'm more than certain that quite a large proportion of people would differ from this tbh.

Many certainly, but that doesn't mean they are correct does it? It also doesnt mean they're wrong either. Again, we need to accept others views

Plenty will have voted knowing what it meant for the country and for themselves, and there will be those that didn't give it much thought as well (on both sides).

I disagree. Almost no-one really knew. They know a little more now but not that much. Thats fine, you're allowed to disagree, but i would suggest that there are people that know it will have meant a turbulent time ahead, with the economy contracting and needing to re-shape accordingly. in fact if you bothered to go through the first few months of this thread you'll see people on here suggesting as much which seem to fly in the face of your assertions

There are ALWAYS 2 sides to any debate, issue and as such that's YOUR point of view, which i'm sure people accept on that basis...shame it appears you can't reciprocate.

Understanding that others disagree is easy and I do. I just have an unshakeable belief that they are wrong. Some would consider it denial at all costs. It's ok to be wrong, its ok to have other views. We'll probably find that some of yours turn out to be correct and some of those that want to leave will be as well. its how we move forward that really matters.

I'd also suggest that the real losers in this sorry situation are the MP's and Parliament who've plumbed some pretty low depths (on both sides) and have been shown to not give a toss (regardless of how they wrap it up) about anyone other than themselves.

Many of the leaders of the parties have been playing politics since day 1, which I find disgraceful when the national interest is at stake. However many of the back benchers have done, and continue to do, some really selfless work, putting themselves and their careers on the line for us and what they believe in. They need all the credit in the world.
How are they putting themselves and their careers on the line for us?

They are NOT elected as representatives of a political party though. They are elected as OUR representatives. Their party membership is secondary and, as we have all seen, can change. Their primary loyalty has to be to us and their conscience needs to be their steadfast guideline. If we disagree with their performance then we have the opportunity to change them at the next GE.

Whilst some people vote solely on party considerations, which is their right, many don't and often choose whoever stands locally and is the best person to serve their interests. I know I do.

You would never believe it with some of the repetitive sh1t you put on here time again and again.
The truth being we are all laughing at you if the truth be known!!

I think that is a complete misreading of the situation.

The EU reached an agreement with the UK after months of effort and made their position very clear indeed, without any ambiguity. They see the purpose behind the "backstop" as a non negotiable settled issue and have made that crystal clear. However, they have left the door open for us to find ways to achieve the same result through alternative arrangements, if we can find them.

I am no expert on the technicalities but from the various reactions I am hearing it seems unlikely that these ideas will do that. Indeed it seems much more likely that they are just political window dressing, designed to blame shift.

I hope I am wrong and these proposals turn out to be the key which unlocks the solution. I am not holding my breath.

Ultimately I think we will have to choose between one of three options. Leave without a deal. Leave with a "backstop" in place. Remain in the EU.

Maybe Parliament will now replace Johnson, form a short term government of national unity, request the extension and then vote to accept the "May" deal. All before Oct 31st in case the extension is refused and with an election soon afterwards.

Anyone think that's possible?