Well the Labour manifesto is soon to be published. So look at it and then make your own mind up. They certainly wont be running on ditching workers rights.

I'm not the MSN. I'm not saying "It's between the commie and good old Boris" You probably get that I don't trust Boris and I like the "commie".

Just decide for yourself. What kind of country do you want to live in?

But one note of caution - most of the people who own the press don't actually live here. If things go bad they have already left.

Firstly saying that free market policies is responsible for deaths. Sure, in certain situations I'm aware of that.....However, compared to what other system?

The free market system has flaws but it has brought more people out of poverty and enabled more fat people than anything else you can think of.

Ah the Pinochet point, the mention of Pol Pot.

To say she 'supported' Pol Pot is a bit like saying I support rule by Putin compared to rule by China. You completely ignore context. Both Thatcher and Carter supported them against the Communists.

Pinochet was also fighting the communists.....He ended up giving away power to the democrats.....think of any communists who have done that?

You are referring to wars for control where we took sides. I can't and won't defend the actions of death squads and every innocent who died is a war crime.

War is...sanctioned murder.....It's only those who don't understand the reality who can think that it involves any form of actual justice.

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Whereas, on the other hand, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg grew up on the New Addington Estate and were the midfield pairing for Castle Hill School.

In later years, I often used to love having a beer in the 'Bunkers with them and talking about how easy it was bringing up kids and getting by. Pfeffel bought an old sofa from me and stuck in in a garage in case his mistress popped by. Happy days.

It matters because the Tories claim they are against the "London Metropolitan elite" and parade as if they are the true representatives of working people.

They are at the the very centre of privilege. They have removed workers rights, environmental protection and food standards from the agreement with the EU because it will be cheaper to hire workers, sell crap food and ruin the environment. It maybe taking back control but not if you are a working person.

Meanwhile they can afford to eat the safe good stuff and live and bring their kids up in the clean safe places. The rest of us take the consequences.

Also the press barons do not live here but influence our laws. If things go wrong there are no come backs.
They have already left.

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Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (09 Nov 2019 1.25am)

"The politics that resulted from Marx has resulted in the biggest pile of human bones in history and those that it didn't murder it dragged into even worst poverty and starvation."

Well the communist have gone but the bodies are still piling up Stirling...what is to blame now?