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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Nov 19 3.39pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

100%

Fibre optic to the door for business and everybody.

Will never happen without nationalisation.

Private companies are not interested, they just want the rich pickings they are a cartel.

Already underway elsewhere just has to be done to even keep up.

British broadband, an asset on the UK balance sheet, not chinese.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Fibre optic to the door for business and everybody.

Will never happen without nationalisation.

Private companies are not interested, they just want the rich pickings they are a cartel.

Already underway elsewhere just has to be done to even keep up.

British broadband, an asset on the UK balance sheet, not chinese.

If it was just the Broadband I might take it seriously.

The Labour party are taking lying to Olympic Gold level standards.

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

Fibre optic to the door for business and everybody.

Will never happen without nationalisation.

Private companies are not interested, they just want the rich pickings they are a cartel.

Already underway elsewhere just has to be done to even keep up.

British broadband, an asset on the UK balance sheet, not chinese.

You don't need to nationalise anything. Just tell the ISP and mobile phone companies to sort it or they face massive fines and losing their licences. As to the solution fibre optic, 5g or whatever let them decide as long as it works.

On reflection the real issue here is that BT runs the very real risk of going the way of the old Royal Mail. Parts of its business are profitable but the infrastructure bit especially the retail portion (you and me) they would love to dump. Expensive to maintain and very possibly Mrs Jones at No5 will decide she no longer needs a landline. In other words BT has a dominant position in a shrinking market.

This is a clever idea by Labour to support the unions and their workers and it won't be free either we will end up paying for it somehow.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 15 Nov 19 4.15pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

We need to vote this council out.
They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!!

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Any party in power will need to conform to this. Changing guard will make no difference. It's a directive adopted from the London Plan, which has set house building targets for every borough totalling 64,935 homes a year for the next 15 to 20 years.

And as Croydon is more or less the largest borough in London, there's plenty of space. However, the planning department need to take some lessons from what was done this year in Goldsmith Street, Norwich.

Plus, you'll have to wait for the Council elections to do this anyway. Not a general election. Majority of 10, plus the bumbling they've been doing lately could indeed mean a bit more of a swing back to the yah yahs. But they'll still have to deliver 46,040 homes by 2039.

 


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W12 15 Nov 19 4.16pm

Surely a better solution to providing wi-fi to people who need it would be to make corperations pay for the internet access that they get for free from people that are increasingly encouraged to work from home. That could also extend to the cost of devices like smartphones where people are encoraged to user their own hardware to run corporate software. They could at least provide an allowance for this. The cost saving for corporation are huge compared to providing more permanent desk space.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Nov 19 4.22pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Surely a better solution to providing wi-fi to people who need it would be to make corperations pay for the internet access that they get for free from people that are increasingly encouraged to work from home. That could also extend to the cost of devices like smartphones where people are encoraged to user their own hardware to run corporate software. They could at least provide an allowance for this. The cost saving for corporation are huge compared to providing more permanent desk space.

Fair comment an imaginative suggestion so you can't be a politician.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If it was just the Broadband I might take it seriously.

The Labour party are taking lying to Olympic Gold level standards.

No argument there then.

But here is one for you:-

General election: Boris Johnson dismisses Labour's broadband plan as 'crazed communist scheme'


 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 15 Nov 19 4.37pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Surely a better solution to providing wi-fi to people who need it would be to make corperations pay for the internet access that they get for free from people that are increasingly encouraged to work from home. That could also extend to the cost of devices like smartphones where people are encoraged to user their own hardware to run corporate software. They could at least provide an allowance for this. The cost saving for corporation are huge compared to providing more permanent desk space.

Sorry I'm not sure how this then pays for fibre to be installed to every household in the UK.

If you mean the money paid by corporations gets funnelled into a fund that then pays for the network to be upgraded to every home, then I suppose that could work. Although I'd be interested to know the percentage of people that work from home more than 3 days a week, which would probably be the qualifier to get free or subsidised internet and or devices. Most medium to large corporates supply free of subsidised mobile hardware and data to their employees anyway so that is nothing new. You'd also have a hard time convincing SMEs to sign up to this as it would hammer their growth potential.

Not every business operates in a way that supports WFH en masse. The zenith of this approach has already been and gone – there are extensive studies around frequent WFH actually being a negative rather than a positive, for fairly obvious reasons.

The irony here is that it's the same socialist approach, just implemented in a less workable way.

Spending 80bn on free fibre broadband to everyone is mental. Spending 15bn ensuring everyone has the potential to access fibre is more sensible. If you wanted to go further on reducing price for people there then make it means tested, although that comes with an admin nightmare.

And to those saying 'Just spend it all on 5G' – the phone companies already do this, just not to low priority areas. Or not for a long time after it's been turned on in cities. Add additional 5G infrastructure on top of that 15bn fibre everywhere plan. You need a mix of both as it's going to be a while until as a society we are able to become fully reliant on currently unstable, and low bandwidth (when compared with wired connections) wireless data transfer.

Additional funding to close the gap on Fibre + 5G installation would be expensive, but more practical than Labours free internet plan and nowhere near 80bn. Ideologically it's sound, i.e. internet access is increasingly becoming close to an essential human right, but financially it just doesn't make sense.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (15 Nov 2019 4.41pm)

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

No argument there then.

But here is one for you:-

General election: Boris Johnson dismisses Labour's broadband plan as 'crazed communist scheme'


Well collectively the spending plans are certainly crazy.

However, I regard broadband coverage and speeds as vital first world infrastructure.....So I won't criticise that.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well collectively the spending plans are certainly crazy.

However, I regard broadband coverage and speeds as vital first world infrastructure.....So I won't criticise that.

Agreed

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Nov 19 5.01pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

If it replaces mobile broadband bring it on.

What are you actually paying for, it is total crap.

One thing you have to be thankful for is good wifi, luckily I have but I have had too many moments at the mercy of mobile broadband operators.

With O2 I couldn't even get a good signal in the middle of Croydon, it ran down my funds smartly despite repeated 'out-ages' and me not even having the phone on.

Their software and site quite diabolical.

Grrrrrrrrr.....

 

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W12 15 Nov 19 5.06pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Sorry I'm not sure how this then pays for fibre to be installed to every household in the UK.

If you mean the money paid by corporations gets funnelled into a fund that then pays for the network to be upgraded to every home, then I suppose that could work. Although I'd be interested to know the percentage of people that work from home more than 3 days a week, which would probably be the qualifier to get free or subsidised internet and or devices. Most medium to large corporates supply free of subsidised mobile hardware and data to their employees anyway so that is nothing new. You'd also have a hard time convincing SMEs to sign up to this as it would hammer their growth potential.

Not every business operates in a way that supports WFH en masse. The zenith of this approach has already been and gone – there are extensive studies around frequent WFH actually being a negative rather than a positive, for fairly obvious reasons.

The irony here is that it's the same socialist approach, just implemented in a less workable way.

Spending 80bn on free fibre broadband to everyone is mental. Spending 15bn ensuring everyone has the potential to access fibre is more sensible. If you wanted to go further on reducing price for people there then make it means tested, although that comes with an admin nightmare.

And to those saying 'Just spend it all on 5G' – the phone companies already do this, just not to low priority areas. Or not for a long time after it's been turned on in cities. Add additional 5G infrastructure on top of that 15bn fibre everywhere plan. You need a mix of both as it's going to be a while until as a society we are able to become fully reliant on currently unstable, and low bandwidth (when compared with wired connections) wireless data transfer.

Additional funding to close the gap on Fibre + 5G installation would be expensive, but more practical than Labours free internet plan and nowhere near 80bn. Ideologically it's sound, i.e. internet access is increasingly becoming close to an essential human right, but financially it just doesn't make sense.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (15 Nov 2019 4.41pm)

No I'm saying putting "free" wi-fi into every home is a f***ing stupid idea.

 

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