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 Stirlingsays  17 Nov 19 4.38am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
They are either immigrants or not. I don't believe they are.
There are your genes and then there is your culture and self identity. A person's ethnicity is a combination of those. Your genes, who brings you up and your reaction to that environment is all encompassing. I would end birth citizenship, I would make it very much attached to allegiance in some form. This country is paying a very high price for allowing dual loyalties. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2019 4.42am)
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johnno42000  17 Nov 19 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There as many numerous examples of people born in a country that they aren't actually a part of ....Rudyard Kipling was born in India.....Do you think Kipling was Indian? He loved India and was raised there....but Kipling was very much an Englishman. There are your genes and then there is your culture and self identity. A person's ethnicity is a combination of those. Your genes, who brings you up and your reaction to that environment is all encompassing. I would end birth citizenship, I would make it very much attached to allegiance in some form. This country is paying a very high price for allowing dual loyalties. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2019 4.42am) Sorry but I still don't think they can be classed as immigrants. At some stage you have to say they are British. If not all you Anglo-Saxons would be classed as immigrants and therefore virtually all crime in England would be down to immigrants Edited by johnno42000 (17 Nov 2019 12.25pm)
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| Stirlingsays 17 Nov 19 4.34pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Sorry but I still don't think they can be classed as immigrants. At some stage you have to say they are British. If not all you Anglo-Saxons would be classed as immigrants and therefore virtually all crime in England would be down to immigrants Edited by johnno42000 (17 Nov 2019 12.25pm)
At some stage yeah. There's a huge amount that can be written about all this but then again....lets not flog a dead horse...so to speak. I've flogged so many horses on this topic that I'm worried about a visit from the RSPCA.
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| johnno42000 17 Nov 19 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
At some stage yeah. There's a huge amount that can be written about all this but then again....lets not flog a dead horse...so to speak. I've flogged so many horses on this topic that I'm worried about a visit from the RSPCA.
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 becky over the moon 17 Nov 19 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Sorry but I still don't think they can be classed as immigrants. At some stage you have to say they are British. If not all you Anglo-Saxons would be classed as immigrants and therefore virtually all crime in England would be down to immigrants Edited by johnno42000 (17 Nov 2019 12.25pm) Simple difference - most Anglo-Saxons will class England/Britain as 'home', whilst I have heard many 'British' of West Indian descent still talk about going 'home' for their holidays, and it isn't Skegness that they are talking about!
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| johnno42000 18 Nov 19 7.53am |
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Originally posted by becky
Simple difference - most Anglo-Saxons will class England/Britain as 'home', whilst I have heard many 'British' of West Indian descent still talk about going 'home' for their holidays, and it isn't Skegness that they are talking about! Something must have changed because, when I was growing up, apart from my mates parents/grand parents, I never heard anyone say that (40+ years ago). Sometimes I'd hear their parents say they missed things (the sun, proper ginger beer etc).
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 Hrolf The Ganger 18 Nov 19 11.02am |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
They are either immigrants or not. I don't believe they are. What you call them does not alter who they are or how they behave.
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| johnno42000 18 Nov 19 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What you call them does not alter who they are or how they behave. The post was about immigrants. To me these people aren't immigrants.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Nov 19 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
The post was about immigrants. To me these people aren't immigrants. So you are only concerned about labels? You don't seem to grasp the reality that what landmass you are born on does not in itself necessarily alter your culture, genes, behaviour or upbringing. Given that. Arguing about labels is beside the point.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 19 1.35pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
The post was about immigrants. To me these people aren't immigrants. Ok, but when that knife is in your guts does the label you use for who put it there really matter that much? Immigration policies that have ultimately led to higher crime and murder rates are....in my book criminally idealistic and reek of societal neglect.....because those that made them didn't have to live with them. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Nov 2019 1.36pm)
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| johnno42000 18 Nov 19 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you are only concerned about labels? You don't seem to grasp the reality that what landmass you are born on does not in itself necessarily alter your culture, genes, behaviour or upbringing. Given that. Arguing about labels is beside the point. The point was raised regarding immigrants. IMO these people aren't immigrants so you can't say, if they commit a knife crime, that immigrants did it.
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| johnno42000 18 Nov 19 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ok, but when that knife is in your guts does the label you use for who put it there really matter that much? Immigration policies that have ultimately led to higher crime and murder rates are....in my book criminally idealistic and reek of societal neglect.....because those that made them didn't have to live with them. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Nov 2019 1.36pm) It doesn't matter in the slightest but you can't say immigrants did it if they aren't immigrants.
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