If they don't have any UK genes....As in no genes from people who have inhabited these islands or Europe for centuries then genetically they come from elsewhere.

I recognise that if someone really wants to be 'English' for example and that they have an undiluted allegiance to being English....then, in a sense, I accept that we are all more than just genes. Some of the most passionately 'English' or 'British' can have only a moderate level of actual genes from here.

Good people are good people, regardless of where they are from. I made plenty of foreign friends as a former teacher.....but that doesn't mean that they were 'British'.

To think otherwise is just weaponized empathy in my book.....people wanting to use nationality as a gift that can be thrown out like confetti.

As we can see from what emerged from Labour's conference on immigration and voting rights.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Life is too short to go around in circles so this and my reply to Stirling will be my last. If an immigrant commits a crime blame an immigrant. If someone who isn't an immigrant commits a crime don't blame an immigrant. Pretty straightforward really, now I'm off to watch Alf Garnett to see what he thinks

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Hundreds of years conveys a historical attachment to these isles. Fifty years isn't even an average lifetime here.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Amazing isn't it. Most people who can remember it will still see Till Death Us Do Part as a reactionary right wing show from the 60's and 70's when it was clearly just a left wing vehicle to show us how nasty and racist all us white working class people were. Black people however (obviously) were shown to be nothing but reasonable and mild mannered.

"Philip Purser, in his obituary of Warren Mitchell (16 November), surprisingly made no mention of Unity Theatre as a formative experience. Mitchell, along with other household names like Alfie Bass, Harry Landis, Lionel Bart, Bob Hoskins and Bill Owen all cut their thespian teeth at Unity, performing alongside amateurs for mainly working-class audiences from London’s East End. As it was very much a communist-run enterprise, Unity was also where such actors got their politics, and Warren Mitchell remained a life-long socialist, as did most of the others"

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What will it take for people to understand that they have been played all along.

And like Warren Mitchell a highly privaledged Oxford graduate although "Alistair James Hay Murray" is related to Dukes and Barons and Knights of the realm.

Yet they have so much insight into the problems and prejudices of the (white) working classes.

In Fairness to Warren Mitchell and Johnny Speight they never made any secret that Alf garnet was mean to be a figure to be ridiculed and exposed for his working class hypocrisy. I think what surprised them was the number of people who agreed with Alf.

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