Time for a clear out in Jan ?
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 carpycarlos  26 Nov 19 6.07pm |
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No one wants the diving, cheating cry baby!! Should have cashed in while you had the chance. Muzzer would fetch more than him now (and probably score more too!
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 26 Nov 19 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Pretty much agree here and we often disagree. But it’s also the regular starters who are ageing and most are in their final best year(s). That is going to cost money and with Zaha probably depreciating in value every week and the wage bill still too high after a cull of players, I see a very difficult task ahead unless the club is sold, which is what it’s going to take seeing as players like Benteke are being extended just so they don’t buy anyone rather than to protect an asset value of zero or minus however much you value his wages to be of complete waste. we actually have the oldest first team in the league fella, which is probably why the owners are looking to sell, as they know its going to be bloody expensive to regenerate the squad, nigh on impossible when you look at fees being paid nowadays. i personally dont see bentekes contract as a waste as he is 28 and (i assume) paying him similar to schlupp/pva/kouyate etc on his new contract means he is no longer a “top earner” he has done it in the past & could do it again, a calculated risk i suppose however giving wickham a new contract doesnt make sense to me, even if he is only 26. for me losing dann jairo & wickham would probably shave near to 7/8% off our wage bill, which would help, and in all honesty we wouldnt need to replace them given between then they played a combined 920minutes since the start of last season, which is awful return for best part of £8m in wages. i think i am comfortable saying we are now an established PL side, how we evolve the squad over the next few seasons will determine if we keep on keeping on, or f*** it all up and bottom half champ team for a decade again. more than ever, our recruitment is key in the near future.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Nov 19 7.49pm |
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Agree, apart from Benteke, who’s a one trick pony who can only head the ball and nothing else, so it’ll depend on who manages him and how.
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ARGILE OLD GEEZER  PORTIMAO 27 Nov 19 8.11am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Pretty much agree here and we often disagree. But it’s also the regular starters who are ageing and most are in their final best year(s). That is going to cost money and with Zaha probably depreciating in value every week and the wage bill still too high after a cull of players, I see a very difficult task ahead unless the club is sold, which is what it’s going to take seeing as players like Benteke are being extended just so they don’t buy anyone rather than to protect an asset value of zero or minus however much you value his wages to be of complete waste. Its like a complete rebuild of the team, as much as I respect Roy, that is surly a job for a younger manager
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| ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 27 Nov 19 8.14am |
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Originally posted by Willo
This if course your interpretation of my comments. In any event I don't need to respond to such challenges. One suspects that over the years on HOL I have posted postives about our team but I'm not challenging you to trawl through my posts to find examples. I really do not think it is unreasonable to assume that we could well be drawn into a relegation battle as we have 'Form' on this matter! I like your posts Willo, wish I had your command of grammar .
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| TheBigToePunt 27 Nov 19 12.46pm |
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It's an interesting idea that we could have 'a clear out' in January of the players we no longer fancy. Every club has players they might like to get off their wage bill, but they are contracted employees. Someone has to buy them if you want them gone. Otherwise you are wasting your time even thinking about it. You can't just take them to the breach and leave them there like a dog you bought the kids for Christmas.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 19 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
It's an interesting idea that we could have 'a clear out' in January of the players we no longer fancy. Every club has players they might like to get off their wage bill, but they are contracted employees. Someone has to buy them if you want them gone. Otherwise you are wasting your time even thinking about it. You can't just take them to the breach and leave them there like a dog you bought the kids for Christmas. Absolutely spot-on.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 27 Nov 19 5.48pm |
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interestingly enough...just looked at our contract end dates...christ we could have a completely different squad in 2 years time 2020 camerasa 2021 cahill
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| kev64 Cambs 27 Nov 19 7.26pm |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
..Cabaye flattered to deceive, much preferred Puncheon who also took much much better free kicks and corners etc, waste of money. Wow that has to the most ridiculous quote of 2019 and there’s stiff competition. Puncheon .. seriously ffs
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 27 Nov 19 9.43pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
we actually have the oldest first team in the league fella, which is probably why the owners are looking to sell, as they know its going to be bloody expensive to regenerate the squad, nigh on impossible when you look at fees being paid nowadays. i personally dont see bentekes contract as a waste as he is 28 and (i assume) paying him similar to schlupp/pva/kouyate etc on his new contract means he is no longer a “top earner” he has done it in the past & could do it again, a calculated risk i suppose however giving wickham a new contract doesnt make sense to me, even if he is only 26. for me losing dann jairo & wickham would probably shave near to 7/8% off our wage bill, which would help, and in all honesty we wouldnt need to replace them given between then they played a combined 920minutes since the start of last season, which is awful return for best part of £8m in wages. i think i am comfortable saying we are now an established PL side, how we evolve the squad over the next few seasons will determine if we keep on keeping on, or f*** it all up and bottom half champ team for a decade again. more than ever, our recruitment is key in the near future. Could make up a deal in the Championship if anybody was willing to take a gamble on his fitness ?
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| CharlesPaterson 02 Dec 19 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle
Could make up a deal in the Championship if anybody was willing to take a gamble on his fitness ?
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| palace99 New Mills 03 Dec 19 10.57am |
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I hope people like Jairo leave if only on loan - he was a Dutch international when we signed him and now can't even get a game at either centre back or defensive mid when we play a 2nd X1. Don't think he played 1 minute in prem last year and is on c£45k a week. Max will not make it in the Prem - too lightweight and is not overly creative. Doubt there will be any takers with his high wages. Maybe Camarasso's loan can be cut short - had high hopes for him, but clearly Roy doesn't rate. Whilst we do need a striker I would also like us to buy some young talent from the lower leagues, predominantly to sit on the bench and learn their trade.
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