I didn’t see Stirling make a personal comment. Further, and non personal, nobody knows what their future holds. Family is a solid surrounding. Your offspring are for life.

COYP

How can you possibly say that wasn’t personal. Very easy to offer yourself up from a distance hard man.

Can we all calm down please

I come in peace - Stirling has done a lovely thread on 'Arising Demons' full of nice silly shallow amusing bulls*** with a bit of bad taste - can we try and keep things this way, all these opinions, this is 'wrong' - there's been far too much of this, I've poured a bit of petrol on the fire myself, but can we not lapse into seriousness, I don't think Stirling's latest victim really wants to be told he's the scourge of society bcos he doesn't fancy having a couple of brats continually asking him annoying questions being ungrateful and blighting his spare time - parenthood isn't for everyone and there are too many people have kids who shouldn't, oops I'm starting to lapse.

As for Caroline Flack, she probably was motivated to build a false public persona which she wanted to believe was her authentic self, fame is a headf*** cos your identity becomes other people's property, now she was facing the whole thing falling apart and public ridicule and it killed her - after Saville and the rest we should be more aware of what a false egotistical bubble celebrity life is, they project the light but it's being shone out of a dark little place - Rolf, Harris, Stuart Hall Barrymore, can't prejudge Caroline Flack's trial, but it could well be that the hidden pscycho was going to get a public airing which was too much to bear, but there again I'm not party to any of this so all I write cud well be blx.

As an oldie I look upon social media as being a scourge in our society.

As someone once said to me "in the old days bullying ended at the school gates whilst nowadays it carries on 24/7"

If I had one for you being a tit on the internet my phone would be going off non-stop.