I regret that you see it that way. I am trying to be realistic in an effort to find practical solutions and not airy fairy ones.

The bottom line is that their religion and culture is a key factor and that it was a huge mistake to allow such a backward culture into this country even if only 1% of its followers are rapists. That 1% has been responsible a lot of rape. Thousands of victims.

That's an opinion based, at least partly, on hindsight. I believe it's much more complicated and nuanced than that as it involves our relationships, and duties to, many other countries.

Whether you are "interested" or not the fact remains that we are where we are and not where you might prefer us to be. Facing that reality means we must find real ways to handle things and not simply be a keyboard warrior moaning about how bad everything is.

Yeah but I don't pretend I know everything

Greg Dyke's on his way round with a couple of lads.

Best one-liner yet.

The first practical measure would be to stop immigration from pakistan. What would your solution be?

How is that practical? Apart from it not being so it would have many other consequences, none of which would be in our ultimate interests. Family members are allowed to join. It would not either put a stop to the problem. The perpetrators are here. Many are by now British citizens either by birth or naturalisation. Not all those involved seem to have a connection to pakistan. The latest convictions were of Kurdish men. My solution would be to work hard to educate and communicate and never take no for an answer. If people choose to live here then they must accept our standards so no compromises. If they don't then they lose their freedom until they do.

Thre was no hindsight required to predict the potential problems with mass immigration. It was all predictable and predicted.

I reject the concept of "mass" immigration. There has been a steady increase which has matched the increasing need. What has gone wrong has been with the efforts made to ensure integration happened quickly. This was our mistake and it's down to us to correct it.

I find it funny that you suggest that I am a keyboard warrior when you clog up these threads with your protracted drone every day.

I try and suggest practical solutions and not those which would lead to confrontation and chaos.

You need to read it again because that's not what I said.

My argument is that using religion as a descriptive term is not only inaccurate but counter productive.

You make assumptions about these criminals religious beliefs and extrapolate your conclusions from them.

However religion won't be on any charge sheet and won't be part of anything the Police will investigate. Religion is not on trial. Only the evil actions are. What caused them is for sociologists to ponder and for governments to take remedial action to correct.

If you want to put all religion on trial then I will happily join you as I think it is the root cause of much suffering and has been throughout history.

As we have progressed We have largely become a nation of non believers. Unfortunately some of our less sophisticated brethren have some catching up to do. They will. It's only when, not if.