Genuinely asking a question here.

I very rarely comment on these types of threads but I am intrigued by some of those who demonstrate a commitment to what I will call political correctness.

I agree with your statement regarding us becoming a nation of largely non-believers but would perhaps rather articulate it that as society, and more importantly technology, has progressed, people have moved further away from religious doctrines and practice although they might still identify with a moniker of sorts e.g. "I am a Christian".

What I am struggling with is your insistence here that religion has no bearing on some particular criminal activities? You quite clearly seem to be 'anti-religion' which I certainly have some sympathy with but yet seem to deny that despicable acts which have been perpetrated by immigrants, who belong to a religion that requires a high degree of submission to it's doctrines which date back over a thousand years, has nothing to do with this?

Whilst I am keen for this not to be palmed off as a 'far right rant', I am still baffled as to how people can preach tolerance for these people and this religion whilst espousing liberal beliefs, it seems very much a direct contradiction and I believe any knowledge of this religion would certainly give credence to link the doctrines and the crimes.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Thanks for the measured response.

I agree that many people, although not active believers, still regard themselves as Christian. I though think this is more to do with upbringing and culture than any real belief in a God. I myself treasure our Christian heritage and enjoy looking at churches and churchyards and will happily sing hymns at Christmas.

I think though you misunderstand me when you say that I insist that religion has no bearing on criminal activities. Although we must not make presumptions in any individual cases it does seem highly likely that in the cases of many of those involved in these "grooming gangs" that there is a shared religious and cultural heritage. Exactly what threads connect them is unknown to me. That particular teachers and leaders have planted ideas seems most likely, but that's an area for the experts to discover and deal with and not us.

My point is not, and never has been, that such threads don't exist. It is that to castigate a whole, and very diverse, religion by describing the perpetrators as "Islamic" or "Muslim" is both inaccurate and counter productive. It might be intuitive to do so but is it wise when we really need to try to separate these criminals from the very many good people within the communities from which they have sprung?

We need to destroy their hiding places and build bridges to the righteous rather than widen the divides. I think that is especially true of the women, particularly the ones educated here. All mothers would be horrified at these crimes and we need to give them the opportunity to be brave enough to express that horror effectively and help bring the criminals to justice.

I am no expert on Islam but from the little I do know there seem to be many different interpretations of the texts, just as there is with Christianity. What is certain is that everyone who lives in our country must abide by our laws and adhere to our standards, whatever their religious beliefs might say to them. So we can be tolerant about what people think, but not about what they do.

We mustn't therefore put any religion on trial. We put people who break the law on trial.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You are providing me with the perfect excuse to say that all Muslim immigration should be halted.

You think that these lifetime indoctrinated people can be educated? Over how long? And they keep coming wave after wave so this problem will be endless.
No. We have to put a halt to this now by limiting the number of Muslims in this country. That is the only answer that ultimately solves the problem. Those here already will grow old and they will eventually have fewer children.

You don't like that solution because secretly, you consider your rainbow world ideals more important than the welfare of a few thousand young British girls.

Own it Wisbech. Tell the truth for a change.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Mar 2020 10.50am)

What had this to do with rapists and how to ensure the future safety of our citizens?

The links WE provides sum him up entirely.

I read the second 'Guardian' link (remember this is a guy who called himself a 'one nation conservative)......One of the great things is that it makes a projection that we can roughly gauge on its accuracy next year.

It said this, 'The number of Muslims in the UK is projected to almost double from 2.9 million in 2010 to 5.6 million in 2030. By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 8.2% of the UK's population, up from 4.6% in 2010.'

Now the great thing is that we get the 2021 census next year and so we can judge these projections against that....According to these stats the population should only be at 4.2 or 4.3 million.

I rather suspect that like the person who linked to them.....these stats are not only inaccurate but they are false.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2020 11.46am)

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