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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Mar 20 10.18am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Funny how no one seems to give a feck about Extinction Rebellion anymore.

Now people are hoping climate change means it warms up significantly in April and we can stretch our legs again.

This toilet roll thing is also weird....almost as if people were previously permanently on one or two toilet rolls. God forbid we get a new strain of global diarrhea.. ....Andrex would have to go into public ownership.

 


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Loads of old people or over 70’s refusing to stay in, or (not get into contact with other people, which is what the advice should be). They don’t realise that:

1. Their immune system is low, no matter how fit they are.
2. They could get it and carry it because of 1. and pass it on.

The herd immunity idea is sounding like it’s flawed and not necessarily what the government are aiming for, which is slow it down, and slow the the spread and peak down so fewer people get it. It’s sounding a flawed idea to get it to be alright because the percentages of people who are dying from getting it whether fit or not means hundreds of thousands of deaths.

What’s also making me laugh is people wanting a complete lockdown but people here just won’t follow it.


 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Mar 20 10.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Loads of old people or over 70’s refusing to stay in, or (not get into contact with other people, which is what the advice should be). They don’t realise that:

1. Their immune system is low, no matter how fit they are.
2. They could get it and carry it because of 1. and pass it on.

The herd immunity idea is sounding like it’s flawed and not necessarily what the government are aiming for, which is slow it down, and slow the the spread and peak down so fewer people get it. It’s sounding a flawed idea to get it to be alright because the percentages of people who are dying from getting it whether fit or not means hundreds of thousands of deaths.

What’s also making me laugh is people wanting a complete lockdown but people here just won’t follow it.

Yeah, it's almost as though people are so used to social liberalism that they are willing to let it kill them.

Kind of ironic.

I hate to say it, but when it comes to this stuff, I think the Chinese have the right approach.....You have to be illiberal if you are going to save a lot more people in the long run.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Mar 20 10.26am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It also shows up an inherent weakness of globalism going forward....and well, a weakness that was always there.

What brings you together more easily also kills you more easily.

A lack of respect for and investment in border security was and always has been a terrible idea.....You need to know who is here, if they really should be here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2020 10.29am)

 


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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I cough when I think about it and the first thing I did when I read your post was to cough

Check your temperature. Without being alarmist, you should self isolate for 7 days. Watch a couple of series' and read a few books. I recommend Silk Roads by Frankopan. That will definitely take you more than a week.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Mar 20 10.51am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, it's almost as though people are so used to social liberalism that they are willing to let it kill them.

Kind of ironic.

I hate to say it, but when it comes to this stuff, I think the Chinese have the right approach.....You have to be illiberal if you are going to save a lot more people in the long run.

It was one region in China where it started on lockdown but I agree on the logic.

The British are just s*** at all this (geezer pr1ck openly coughing in a small co-op and then joking with the checkout young lad he was bellowing at he needs latex gloves) and the economy is set up so that people will take the risk because financial ruin is a possibility so we just have to look after ourselves.

Lockdown would take months, not weeks. It would batter people financially and the oldies who don’t go to work aren’t going to stay in anyway.

We all know how to reduce our risk.

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Loads of old people or over 70’s refusing to stay in, or (not get into contact with other people, which is what the advice should be). They don’t realise that:

1. Their immune system is low, no matter how fit they are.
2. They could get it and carry it because of 1. and pass it on.

The herd immunity idea is sounding like it’s flawed and not necessarily what the government are aiming for, which is slow it down, and slow the the spread and peak down so fewer people get it. It’s sounding a flawed idea to get it to be alright because the percentages of people who are dying from getting it whether fit or not means hundreds of thousands of deaths.

What’s also making me laugh is people wanting a complete lockdown but people here just won’t follow it.


I hear that the government seem to be modifying the advice today and suggesting that the over 70s won't need to "stay indoors" but to be sensible and avoid close contact with others. Which makes perfect sense. With warmer weather around the corner and knowing that fresh air and exercise will keep you healthy going for a walk must be good for you, and no danger to others, so long as you keep the recommended 2 metres distance. My dogs will be happy to know this too!

Building up "herd immunity" also seems sensible. If those young and fit enough to survive this get it, and then develop immunity, the numbers able to spread it reduce proportionately and so will the number infected at any one time. Thus the NHS can handle it over a longer time frame. If they get overwhelmed by a huge peak then the death rate will be higher. Unless I am missing something!

I am wondering if China will see a resurgence once they fully release the brakes because there is no "herd immunity" there and no vaccine yet.

I also wonder whether the global lockdowns we are seeing actually makes much sense. It's beginning to feel like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. If your country already has infections what's the point of stopping travel from another that has them, at the same or a similar level? Surely it's the internal systems to slow the spread and manage the way your health systems cope that really counts. I realise that many people won't want to travel at the moment unless they have to but blanket bans seem to be window dressing rather than of any practical effect.

The idea that globalisation has any responsibility for this, as made by another poster, is really quite ludicrous. Unless every country completely and permanently closed their borders such things as this virus are bound to spread. They might spread faster these days, but spread they always have. Knowing who is here won't stop that.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Mar 20 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I find it an apt metaphor for what social liberalism has done to society that the toilet roll now represents its most valued commodity.

If we had closed our borders when this started we simply wouldn't have the scale of the problem we have.

Also this reasoning that those who lock down are going to have a problem when people come out completely ignores that the warmer weather will knock down this virus far more effectively......I suspect that this is what they are planning for in countries that have locked down.

In my view, you are never going to get an effective level of 'herd immunity' to actually stop the old getting this.....life doesn't work like that....probably looks good on a spreadsheet but I suspect the reality is that it'll be the summer that knocks this down.

Then it's a race to a vaccine in time.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2020 12.03pm)

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Mar 20 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Sorry but isolating is not about saving lives. It is all about spreading out the deaths so that come the winter, less people die of the second wave.

The lack of a basic level of understanding about how viruses work is staggering. Nobody has a natural immunity to Covid-19. Therefore the only way to stop it is to prevent the spread is having 60% of the population to have had it and got better.

If anything those of us who are not in the at-risk groups should be deliberately infected with it. We should be socialising more, in optimum conditions for it to spread.

I would happily be infected today so that within 10 days I can get on with normal life.

OK, perhaps I am a bit of a lunatic but seriously, the only effective action is to ensure that most of us get it but spread out over the months to come. Not hide away from it now so that it can come back and bite us on the arse in November with a long winter ahead.

Catch Covid-19 now if you are under 70 and are not already having to visit the Doctor once a month.

Edited by Matov (16 Mar 2020 12.14pm)

 


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Originally posted by Matov

Sorry but isolating is not about saving lives. It is all about spreading out the deaths so that come the winter, less people die of the second wave.

The lack of a basic level of understanding about how viruses work is staggering. Nobody has a natural immunity to Covid-19. Therefore the only way to stop it is to prevent the spread is having 60% of the population to have had it and got better.

If anything those of us who are not in the at-risk groups should be deliberately infected with it. We should be socialising more, in optimum conditions for it to spread.

I would happily be infected today so that within 10 days I can get on with normal life.

OK, perhaps I am a bit of a lunatic but seriously, the only effective action is to ensure that most of us get it but spread out over the months to come. Not hide away from it now so that it can come back and bite us on the arse in November with a long winter ahead.

Catch Covid-19 now if you are under 70 and are not already having to visit the Doctor once a month.

Edited by Matov (16 Mar 2020 12.14pm)

I can't say I agree with you but I guess time is going to tell isn't it......By the end of summer the body bag numbers will tell us which approach was the most effective.

Whichever approach works better will no doubt become the blanket method by next winter....unless the vaccine race has been a giant and speedy success.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Mar 2020 12.28pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I can't say I agree with you but I guess time is going to tell isn't it......By the end of summer the body bag numbers will tell us which approach was the most effective.

By the end of summer 2021, the amount of body bags will tell us who is right.

And that is the issue. This is a long term problem. Johnson is luckier than most politicians in that he is perhaps the most secure Western leader at the moment. 80 majority and a fixed-term Parliament act. He can afford to take the hit by not pandering to the hysteria.

Banking on a vaccine by November is irresponsible in the extreme. This wretched virus will kill. Nothing can prevent that as things stand. Better to take the wider term hit now as we go into the warmer months, with the NHS better able to cope, than delay it until the winter.

Yes, it seems heartless but emotions have to be taken out of this. We are essentially at war with this virus and I do not use that term lightly. This is an invader that wants to kill as many of us as possible. And it will, to a certain extent, succeed.

Now is the right time to fight it. To take it on the chin. Because if we don't then it comes back in November and the carnage will be even greater.


 


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Originally posted by Matov

Sorry but isolating is not about saving lives. It is all about spreading out the deaths so that come the winter, less people die of the second wave.

The lack of a basic level of understanding about how viruses work is staggering. Nobody has a natural immunity to Covid-19. Therefore the only way to stop it is to prevent the spread is having 60% of the population to have had it and got better.

If anything those of us who are not in the at-risk groups should be deliberately infected with it. We should be socialising more, in optimum conditions for it to spread.

I would happily be infected today so that within 10 days I can get on with normal life.

OK, perhaps I am a bit of a lunatic but seriously, the only effective action is to ensure that most of us get it but spread out over the months to come. Not hide away from it now so that it can come back and bite us on the arse in November with a long winter ahead.

Catch Covid-19 now if you are under 70 and are not already having to visit the Doctor once a month.

Edited by Matov (16 Mar 2020 12.14pm)

I do agree with you. The more the generally fit and healthy among us get it and recover the better. The most sensible thing would be if 25% of NHS staff all got it in stages during the next 8 weeks, took a couple of weeks off and we then had a full complement when the peak strikes. Couldn't be managed and no-one would accept it either.

Apparently it remains unknown whether anyone can get reinfected or if the initial immunity dissipates. If it follows the expected pattern that won't be true and even if it doesn't partial immunity will remain, thus a re-infection will be milder than the first.

The body bag numbers by the end of the summer will tell us exactly that. What the number of deaths are by the end of this summer. A much better picture will be known by the end of summer 2021. By then we will know whether a vaccine has been yet found which works.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (16 Mar 2020 2.42pm)

 

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