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 Stirlingsays  17 Mar 20 2.25pm |
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Yes you are. Immigration brings more people into the country....more people equals more chance of incoming infections....spreaders and catchers. It's not that difficult. Countries haven't been closing their borders out of boredom.....They are only responsible for their own nationals. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Mar 2020 2.28pm)
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 becky over the moon 17 Mar 20 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yes you are. Immigration brings more people into the country....more people equals more change of incoming infections....spreaders and catchers. It's not that difficult. ... and therefore even more people potentially putting more strain on overstretched GP's and hospitals
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| Spiderman Horsham 17 Mar 20 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You can see his point though. Although it's not very well expressed. With every country having infections the only real benefit to be gained is to close the border to anyone from a country with a significantly higher level than your own. It's stopping social contact transmission that will really help, and that's an internal issue. It's much too late to stop it being brought in. It's here and was always going to be here. What we are now doing is managing the impact. Suggesting that stopping immigration will help is nonsense, but closing borders isn't really doing that anyway as it's a temporary move in a crisis. If closing the borders to all won't actually save any lives, and I cannot see how it will, then why do it? If people want to go on holiday, follow the regulations of the country they will be in, then surely keeping the tourist industry busy, the planes flying and people's mental well being maintained must be better? Perhaps we will see some relaxation in the coming months. Am I missing something? Yes I think you are! So you are saying if people want to travel, let them, providing they comply with the regulations of that country: 1 What about airport staff, air crew, border force staff who have to be in close contact with them? Or is it ok to put them and their families at risk? 2 Have you ever seen how p***ed up Brits behave abroad at the best of times?
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| Midlands Eagle 17 Mar 20 4.01pm |
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Mar 20 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You can see his point though. Although it's not very well expressed. With every country having infections the only real benefit to be gained is to close the border to anyone from a country with a significantly higher level than your own. It's stopping social contact transmission that will really help, and that's an internal issue. It's much too late to stop it being brought in. It's here and was always going to be here. What we are now doing is managing the impact. Suggesting that stopping immigration will help is nonsense, but closing borders isn't really doing that anyway as it's a temporary move in a crisis. If closing the borders to all won't actually save any lives, and I cannot see how it will, then why do it? If people want to go on holiday, follow the regulations of the country they will be in, then surely keeping the tourist industry busy, the planes flying and people's mental well being maintained must be better? Perhaps we will see some relaxation in the coming months. Am I missing something? You are missing a brain.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 17 Mar 20 4.39pm |
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The last time our nation experienced crisis, we came out of it with a strong, radical restructuring of society. An NHS, a Welfare State, a massive house building drive. Something similar will need to be done after this. Yet we have a narcissist in charge whose interests rarely foray beyond the topic of himself. It does scare me.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 17 Mar 20 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The last time our nation experienced crisis, we came out of it with a strong, radical restructuring of society. An NHS, a Welfare State, a massive house building drive. Something similar will need to be done after this. Yet we have a narcissist in charge whose interests rarely foray beyond the topic of himself. It does scare me. Did you practice that in front of a mirror? We borrowed the money for all that and only paid it off under Gordon Brown.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Mar 20 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The last time our nation experienced crisis, we came out of it with a strong, radical restructuring of society. An NHS, a Welfare State, a massive house building drive. Something similar will need to be done after this. Yet we have a narcissist in charge whose interests rarely foray beyond the topic of himself. It does scare me. You get the leader you deserve. As soon as the older 70’s knew they’d have to social distance themselves the supermarkets emptied of everything, including alcohol.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 17 Mar 20 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Did you practice that in front of a mirror? We borrowed the money for all that and only paid it off under Gordon Brown. You are using this crisis to push your argument for closed borders, literally in the post above mine. So please stop acting offended when I make a political point. We are on course for a contraction of GDP of over 10%. Those living paycheck to paycheck, which is a lot of people in our post-austerity society, are going to end up with nothing. We need a wholesale roll out of social provisions or there will be riots, and yet we have just appointed a billionaire who worked for Goldman Sachs as our chancellor.
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jeeagles  17 Mar 20 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The last time our nation experienced crisis, we came out of it with a strong, radical restructuring of society. An NHS, a Welfare State, a massive house building drive. Something similar will need to be done after this. Yet we have a narcissist in charge whose interests rarely foray beyond the topic of himself. It does scare me. The economic impact of this will be interesting. During a recession, more millionaires are made than any other time. This is due to cheap labour being easily exploitable by those with lots of capital. Take the industrial revolution, a decline in the need to agricultural labour led to large work forces becoming available for low costs to mill owners. Then the most recent recession, lots of job losses, plus lots of low skilled imigaration, leading to a boom in the likes of Uber, Amazon, Deliveroo. The difference, if the doomsayers are correct, with a recession caused by war, or illness, is that a reduction in the availibility of labour generally leads to improvements in conditions for lower skilled workers in the long run. The black death, for example, meant landowners had to suddenly give tennents rights to keep them on their land. The first world war gave working class men and women over 30 the right to vote. I doubt many big businesses have insurance against the virus, even if they do, they will face a long protracted fight with their insurance companies to try and recover any losses. Best to try and stay open for now and keep trading rather than taking no steps to mitigate losses and go cap in hand straight to the insurance companies. Business owers will have a contractual obligation to pay their contracted staff, that will hit them in the pocket. Of course, the worst off will be non-contracted staff... they are the people that will need direct help, not the business owners.
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| doi209 Fighting for the weak and innocent... 17 Mar 20 5.03pm |
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A man walks into Boots and asks for the best thing for the coronavirus. The assistant replies "ammonia cleaner" "Sorry" said the man, " I thought you worked here"
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| davenotamonkey 17 Mar 20 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
Extinction Rebellion and Greta's followers have very quickly got everything that they wanted. No air travel, no car travel and no industrial output damaging the atmosphere. I wonder if their hatred of evil capitalism will be so strong once they find out that evil capitalism isn't there to help them when they need help in hand-outs, services, support services and maybe the odd drink and foreign holiday. Utopia isn't always as good as it looks. Oh don't you worry. They're still around. Still masquerading as concerned citizens, rather than the "year-zero" neo-Khmer Rouge marxist nutjobs. They've just turned their swampy hats inside out with a new logo. Now we are meant to be "pausing the system". Must think we were born yesterday. They must be loving this - a step closer to living in caves and s***ting in the corner. All hail Greta.
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