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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 20 8.59am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

The real culprits holding up peoples payments lie with Chuck Schumer & Nancy Pelosi. When they were tacking on pork to the stimulus bill.

Or trying to widen and improve it's scope?

It depends on which side of the fence you sit as to how these things appear.

Trump insisting his name appears on the cheques looks the same from everywhere.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Apr 20 9.12am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That Trump has been scapegoating China from day one of his presidency is true. He wasn't though critical of their handling of the C19 crisis until he needed to deflect blame from himself. Hence the "Chinese Virus" switch in the way it was referred to. As I have previously pointed out he was supporting the Chinese response in February via Twitter:- "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!"

How the virus started remains unproven. It is assumed it was via their live markets but much fuller investigations are needed and once done the lessons need to be learned.

The WHO acted, as everyone else has to, on the best information available at the time they made their decisions. Using hindsight can make everyone an expert but using it politically, as Trump is doing, for purely selfish reasons, is irresponsible.

Speculating on whether China did this, or that, gets us no-where at all. There is a time to find that out and then via good argument, gentle persuasion and effective diplomacy find ways to effect changes that improve behaviour and reduce the future risks. That time isn't now. Now is the time to put such matters aside and concentrate on co-operation to overcome the immediate problems.

That countries aren't publicly defending China just means they are trying not to give any oxygen to the story. I suspect though that they are mostly giving quiet diplomatic support, as it seems we have.

Or it could be that other countries aren’t defending China because they agree with Trump. Among the narratives here are one in which Trump is criticised for not acting quickly enough and another in which China suppressed information.
There are stories around that we are potentially facing lockdowns and deaths for years to come. Under the circumstances it doesn’t seem unreasonable to apportion blame.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Apr 20 9.29am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


Trump insisting his name appears on the cheques looks the same from everywhere.

It could be worse as it could have been his face appearing on the cheques

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Apr 20 9.40am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It could be worse as it could have been his face appearing on the cheques

Or he could have turned up with a bagful of used notes. Or coins.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 16 Apr 20 9.44am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Have we explored the option that both the Chinese and US governments are awful?

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Or it could be that other countries aren’t defending China because they agree with Trump. Among the narratives here are one in which Trump is criticised for not acting quickly enough and another in which China suppressed information.
There are stories around that we are potentially facing lockdowns and deaths for years to come. Under the circumstances it doesn’t seem unreasonable to apportion blame.

Do you really think any country (other than those also currently with populist heads of state) think it's wise to politicise the crisis, even if they have some doubts about the WHO?

We will face lockdowns and deaths until a vaccine is universally available and that date remains one of the big unknowns.

From what I read it doesn't just depend upon the development of a successful vaccine but on how and where to scale it up. Apparently there is not the lab capacity currently available to do this, so new facilities must be built. Using the current ones, even if they are technically suitable, would mean that other vaccines would go into short supply resulting in a surge of epidemics of other well known viral infections, which could in turn produce an even worse outcome.

No doubt the building of such facilities is already being planned but this really is something where international co-operation is essential.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Apr 20 9.54am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Have we explored the option that both the Chinese and US governments are awful?

As with most governments choosing between them is like choosing which nut you want kicked hardest.
Let’s call it the Mullery Scale. How many Mullers do each rate?

 

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W12 16 Apr 20 9.54am

Originally posted by cryrst

Sweden up 170 dead today. Now 1200 dead.
That's with smaller communities. Hope this isnt going south for their people.

I simply cannot understand that most people are still falling for this bollx and allowing themselves to be prisoners.

The whole thing obviously stinks.

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Enjoy your endless vaccines and forced social tracking sheeple because then it's game over if you dissent (about anything).

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 16 Apr 20 9.58am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

That’s what it was called

"Because it's from Hong Kong "

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Apr 20 10.02am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you really think any country (other than those also currently with populist heads of state) think it's wise to politicise the crisis, even if they have some doubts about the WHO?

We will face lockdowns and deaths until a vaccine is universally available and that date remains one of the big unknowns.

From what I read it doesn't just depend upon the development of a successful vaccine but on how and where to scale it up. Apparently there is not the lab capacity currently available to do this, so new facilities must be built. Using the current ones, even if they are technically suitable, would mean that other vaccines would go into short supply resulting in a surge of epidemics of other well known viral infections, which could in turn produce an even worse outcome.

No doubt the building of such facilities is already being planned but this really is something where international co-operation is essential.

Do you really think politicians will do anything else? There is the possibility that China are first to develop a vaccine. Would they then donate billions of doses to the world or look to profit from and politicise the situation?

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 16 Apr 20 11.08am

Originally posted by W12

I simply cannot understand that most people are still falling for this bollx and allowing themselves to be prisoners.

The whole thing obviously stinks.

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Enjoy your endless vaccines and forced social tracking sheeple because then it's game over if you dissent (about anything).

I'd welcome a vaccine over a predictably cobbled together conspiracy theory any day of the week.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 16 Apr 20 11.18am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by W12

I simply cannot understand that most people are still falling for this bollx and allowing themselves to be prisoners.

The whole thing obviously stinks.

[Link]

Enjoy your endless vaccines and forced social tracking sheeple because then it's game over if you dissent (about anything).

Cool, so you should be fine going into the Coronavirus wing of your local hospital and helping out the doctors then? Obviously with no PPE as the whole thing's a hoax.

Maybe you could comfort the ill by giving them hugs?

Edited by serial thriller (16 Apr 2020 11.19am)

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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