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YT Oxford 15 May 20 6.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I suspect the answer lies in different dimensions myself. It's one answer to the Fermi paradox of why we don't see evidence of civilisations in the cosmos....apart from the fact that life is reasonably rare. At some stage all advanced civilisations discover extra dimensions and exploit them hence disappearing from this one.....or we could be seeing ourselves from the future visiting the past. Who the feck knows....it's an endless and enjoyable topic of speculation. Are you quoting somebody here? Is this what you believe? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 15 May 20 6.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I suspect the answer lies in different dimensions myself.

It's one answer to the Fermi paradox of why we don't see evidence of civilisations in the cosmos....apart from the fact that life is reasonably rare.

At some stage all advanced civilisations discover extra dimensions and exploit them hence disappearing from this one.....or we could be seeing ourselves from the future visiting the past.

Who the feck knows....it's an endless and enjoyable topic of speculation.

Are you quoting somebody here? Is this what you believe?

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Stirlingsays 15 May 20 6.52pm
Originally posted by YT Are you quoting somebody here? Is this what you believe? My last line tells you. It's one of the available solutions to the fermi paradox. I don't tend to believe things that can't be demonstrated in some way. So, what is being discussed here is strictly within the speculation context. Of the solutions to the paradox I'd put it in my top five and it's probably one of the more hopeful ones. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 20 6.52pm

Originally posted by YT

Are you quoting somebody here? Is this what you believe?

My last line tells you.

It's one of the available solutions to the fermi paradox.

I don't tend to believe things that can't be demonstrated in some way. So, what is being discussed here is strictly within the speculation context.

Of the solutions to the paradox I'd put it in my top five and it's probably one of the more hopeful ones.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 15 May 20 8.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays My last line tells you. It's one of the available solutions to the fermi paradox. I don't tend to believe things that can't be demonstrated in some way. So, what is being discussed here is strictly within the speculation context. Of the solutions to the paradox I'd put it in my top five and it's probably one of the more hopeful ones. I dont understand half of this but my vocabulary has risen greatly. I think there must be ET out there somewhere. We are in the goldilocks zone from our star and there are more stars than grains of sand on earth so there has to be other planets with sensible life on it. Evolution isnt selective to our planet surely.
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The garden of England 15 May 20 8.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My last line tells you.

It's one of the available solutions to the fermi paradox.

I don't tend to believe things that can't be demonstrated in some way. So, what is being discussed here is strictly within the speculation context.

Of the solutions to the paradox I'd put it in my top five and it's probably one of the more hopeful ones.

I dont understand half of this but my vocabulary has risen greatly. I think there must be ET out there somewhere. We are in the goldilocks zone from our star and there are more stars than grains of sand on earth so there has to be other planets with sensible life on it. Evolution isnt selective to our planet surely.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 May 20 8.38pm
Originally posted by cryrst I dont understand half of this but my vocabulary has risen greatly. I think there must be ET out there somewhere. We are in the goldilocks zone from our star and there are more stars than grains of sand on earth so there has to be other planets with sensible life on it. Evolution isnt selective to our planet surely. And it isn't selective enough on our planet. Matthew Kelly, for example. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 May 20 8.38pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And it isn't selective enough on our planet. Matthew Kelly, for example.

Red and Blue Army!

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johnno42000 15 May 20 8.41pm
I think they are incredibly small or incredibly huge. We either can't see them as they are so small or we are so small they can't see us and we are a bit like a harmless virus inside them so we can't see them. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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15 May 20 8.41pm

I think they are incredibly small or incredibly huge. We either can't see them as they are so small or we are so small they can't see us and we are a bit like a harmless virus inside them so we can't see them.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Stirlingsays 15 May 20 8.48pm
Originally posted by cryrst I dont understand half of this but my vocabulary has risen greatly. I think there must be ET out there somewhere. We are in the goldilocks zone from our star and there are more stars than grains of sand on earth so there has to be other planets with sensible life on it. Evolution isnt selective to our planet surely. It's almost certain that lower forms of life survive on planets around other stars....bacteria, microbes...maybe even Piers Morgan. However, most other stars are not as mild mannered as ours and that high activity along with lots of other factors even if you have the goldilocks zone...factors like iron core magnetism to protect the atmosphere from the solar wind, pressure, rotation speed, wind speed, the atmospheric and earth composition....lots of factors pool together to mostly make life much more unlikely than likely in significant forms. Primitive life is much more likely than the kind of development time needed for intelligent life.....hell, the change from single cell to multi cell seems so unlikely that it could be in of itself very rare.....making intelligent life even more unlikely.....remember Earth has been around for four billion years and gone through many extinctions before mammals and then eventually we turned up......the talented ape. However, if we take the high probability that intelligent life turns up many many times in a universe of such unimaginable size you have many other factors that could get in the way of us ever knowing about it. But up to now, we at least can't say we have proof of any intelligent life having reached the stage where they have made a detectable difference to any solar system that we observe with our current technologies......a couple of interesting systems is all we have....well and the 'Wow' signal. Personally I think we will eventually find something as our technology improves.....but once again, it's all speculation.....that is if you go with the premise that all advanced civilisations don't destroy themselves or discover and hide within other dimensions or that we are the first. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2020 9.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 20 8.48pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It's almost certain that lower forms of life survive on planets around other stars....bacteria, microbes...maybe even Piers Morgan.

However, most other stars are not as mild mannered as ours and that high activity along with lots of other factors even if you have the goldilocks zone...factors like iron core magnetism to protect the atmosphere from the solar wind, pressure, rotation speed, wind speed, the atmospheric and earth composition....lots of factors pool together to mostly make life much more unlikely than likely in significant forms.

Primitive life is much more likely than the kind of development time needed for intelligent life.....hell, the change from single cell to multi cell seems so unlikely that it could be in of itself very rare.....making intelligent life even more unlikely.....remember Earth has been around for four billion years and gone through many extinctions before mammals and then eventually we turned up......the talented ape.

However, if we take the high probability that intelligent life turns up many many times in a universe of such unimaginable size you have many other factors that could get in the way of us ever knowing about it.

But up to now, we at least can't say we have proof of any intelligent life having reached the stage where they have made a detectable difference to any solar system that we observe with our current technologies......a couple of interesting systems is all we have....well and the 'Wow' signal.

Personally I think we will eventually find something as our technology improves.....but once again, it's all speculation.....that is if you go with the premise that all advanced civilisations don't destroy themselves or discover and hide within other dimensions or that we are the first.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2020 9.09pm)

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Stirlingsays 15 May 20 9.11pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 I think they are incredibly small or incredibly huge. We either can't see them as they are so small or we are so small they can't see us and we are a bit like a harmless virus inside them so we can't see them. My mind was completely blown when I found out just how much smaller the Planck length was from our ability to detect the smallest sizes. There is so much more that humanity has left to learn. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 May 20 9.11pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

My mind was completely blown when I found out just how much smaller the Planck length was from our ability to detect the smallest sizes.

There is so much more that humanity has left to learn.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 May 20 10.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays My mind was completely blown when I found out just how much smaller the Planck length was from our ability to detect the smallest sizes. There is so much more that humanity has left to learn. Surely we can detect a bit of 4 by 2 by now. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 May 20 10.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My mind was completely blown when I found out just how much smaller the Planck length was from our ability to detect the smallest sizes.

There is so much more that humanity has left to learn.

Surely we can detect a bit of 4 by 2 by now.

Red and Blue Army!

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Stirlingsays 16 May 20 12.00am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Surely we can detect a bit of 4 by 2 by now. It'd be preferable to detect a 7 of 9,,,,but only if she was the nineties version. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 May 20 12.00am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Surely we can detect a bit of 4 by 2 by now.

It'd be preferable to detect a 7 of 9,,,,but only if she was the nineties version.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 16 May 20 6.13am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's almost certain that lower forms of life survive on planets around other stars....bacteria, microbes...maybe even Piers Morgan. However, most other stars are not as mild mannered as ours and that high activity along with lots of other factors even if you have the goldilocks zone...factors like iron core magnetism to protect the atmosphere from the solar wind, pressure, rotation speed, wind speed, the atmospheric and earth composition....lots of factors pool together to mostly make life much more unlikely than likely in significant forms. Primitive life is much more likely than the kind of development time needed for intelligent life.....hell, the change from single cell to multi cell seems so unlikely that it could be in of itself very rare.....making intelligent life even more unlikely.....remember Earth has been around for four billion years and gone through many extinctions before mammals and then eventually we turned up......the talented ape. However, if we take the high probability that intelligent life turns up many many times in a universe of such unimaginable size you have many other factors that could get in the way of us ever knowing about it. But up to now, we at least can't say we have proof of any intelligent life having reached the stage where they have made a detectable difference to any solar system that we observe with our current technologies......a couple of interesting systems is all we have....well and the 'Wow' signal. Personally I think we will eventually find something as our technology improves.....but once again, it's all speculation.....that is if you go with the premise that all advanced civilisations don't destroy themselves or discover and hide within other dimensions or that we are the first. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2020 9.09pm) What we can actually see and try to understand bearing its position in the universe is a pinprick on a football pitch. The age of the universe is still a bit of a guess I reckon. Those professionals involved must be so head f***ed. It does mine in thinking about it periodically so 24/7 it's got to send you mad.
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The garden of England 16 May 20 6.13am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's almost certain that lower forms of life survive on planets around other stars....bacteria, microbes...maybe even Piers Morgan.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2020 9.09pm)

What we can actually see and try to understand bearing its position in the universe is a pinprick on a football pitch. The age of the universe is still a bit of a guess I reckon. Those professionals involved must be so head f***ed. It does mine in thinking about it periodically so 24/7 it's got to send you mad.

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 20 12.58pm
Originally posted by cryrst I dont understand half of this but my vocabulary has risen greatly. I think there must be ET out there somewhere. We are in the goldilocks zone from our star and there are more stars than grains of sand on earth so there has to be other planets with sensible life on it. Evolution isnt selective to our planet surely. The existence of life in our Galaxy is not in question. The important one is whether it is possible to do interstellar travel within the laws of physics, in a way that allows for practical visits to other solar systems. Since we have absolutely no information about the nature of extraterrestrial life or it's technology or a total grasp of physics, that question is impossible to answer. The only people who might know are those who have kept such visits secret from the public or work on back engineered alien technology without even realising it. It's easy to dismiss this stuff when faced with the deluge of nuttery you see on TV but it's not so easy to explain many WW2 pilots seeing 'foo fighters' or dozens of navy personal seeing underwater UFOs or pilots describing craft that can fly at incredible speeds and turn at right angles sometimes with radar confirmation and on at least one occasion, on film. There is a ton of stuff that has no explanation at all other than the conclusion that no one wants to accept. Watch the skies. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 May 2020 2.34pm)
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Originally posted by cryrst

The existence of life in our Galaxy is not in question. The important one is whether it is possible to do interstellar travel within the laws of physics, in a way that allows for practical visits to other solar systems. Since we have absolutely no information about the nature of extraterrestrial life or it's technology or a total grasp of physics, that question is impossible to answer.
The only people who might know are those who have kept such visits secret from the public or work on back engineered alien technology without even realising it.

It's easy to dismiss this stuff when faced with the deluge of nuttery you see on TV but it's not so easy to explain many WW2 pilots seeing 'foo fighters' or dozens of navy personal seeing underwater UFOs or pilots describing craft that can fly at incredible speeds and turn at right angles sometimes with radar confirmation and on at least one occasion, on film. There is a ton of stuff that has no explanation at all other than the conclusion that no one wants to accept.

Watch the skies.