The reality with the US is that exponential growth and half of the country imagining that wearing a mask is a terrible attack on freedom will make the numbers seriously go up in certain areas. The number of hospital admissions will rise significantly in some states in 2 or 3 weeks time and realistically that is the number that matters. It could be argued that the sooner we all get covid-19 the better because we get beyond it, but more is coming out about those recovering from covid having heart problems, mental problems, permanent lung scarring and so the toll on the nations health will extend beyond the pandemic.

As such, while it's best that most people to return to normal life while being sensible about it, I can well understand why those in vulnerable groups would want to keep well out of the way for the foreseeable. The sooner better treatments or potentially a vaccine comes along the better chance they'll have at surviving something that's clearly at this point going to wipe out several million people worldwide.

Vulnerable people in the states should have the wherewithal to realise that their president is primarily interested in re-election and the pandemic is hurting him in the polls. He just wants it to go away, so will undermine it, undermine testing, undermine wearing a mask, and encourage people to mingle in mass numbers - as long as they sign a waiver removing him from any responsibility should they become seriously ill. They should put any cult-like adulation aside for five minutes and seriously consider the reality of what is best for their health at a time like this. It will come at a cost for them if they don't.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Jun 2020 2.55pm)

It's too early to say really, though they are currently seeing and expecting that a significant portion of those hospitalised will be lumbered with many of these problems long term. "20% and 30% of patients who have been in hospital appear to show some early signs of lung scarring.” Relatively speaking we're still in the early stages of this pandemic and so more will become clear over time.

A significant percentage of hospitalised covid patients, whether or not they had previous heart conditions are experiencing heart injury that appears to be permanent. [Link] Granted you could say that if someone is hopsitalised they're obviously in a bad way to begin with but I doubt many of them realise that they may well end up with these long term complications.

Elderly are at much more risk than most, but I'm just trying to convey that we are not entirely aware of that it's long term health impact will be on people.

I agree that the only really viable option for the sake of sanity or society is for the working population to carry on, but this is highly contagious, and a not insignificant numbers of under 50s are also hospitalised, it's just that they tend to be the ones who pull through. It would be a disaster for them all to get ill at around the same time because the outcome would be much different. That's exponential growth for you. Stateside messaging that downplays wearing masks, testing, and encourages attending mass rallies - at which a disproportionate number of attendees are in at risk groups - is dangerous and moronic.

How helping yourself and your fellow man stay healthy has become something to get in a rage over, which is what we're seeing with countless angry 'i'll never wear a mask' videos, is rather pitiful

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We need to be aware that measures such as wearing masks and frequent washing of hands are not some kind of political issue, but instead a sane response to facing a pandemic. Getting on with life does not have to go hand in hand with forgetting that we're experiencing said pandemic. Clearly in some parts of Leicester they thought it did.

Edited by BlueJay (30 Jun 2020 5.59pm)

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An article about the benefits of vitamin D.

Now let me think why the Police made no effort to stop this! Wonder if it had been a game of football involving only White people if they would have let it continue?

I’d just go ahead with it Badger, fek him. Sounds like you have done more than enough to risk assess your gardens. It’s not like you will be inviting hundreds of people who don’t live there.

I’m presuming everyone is entitled to exercise outside in there own gardens anyway and there is nothing that says you can’t do it at the same time.

Always some jerk that wants to complain however.

I have no problem with the Muslims carrying on as normal. I just don’t want to hear ‘BAME this, that and the other and whoever is racist to let or make them die’ rubbish.

COYP