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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Jul 20 8.38am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

At the moment I don’t think he will be sacked or resign.
If we lose 8 games on the trot this may change as it would signify fundamental problems with his management of the players.
The problem I have is that if he stays, and we refresh the squad with young players, Hodgson’s track record suggests that he is not the best manager for introducing and implementing changes.
We could end up with him seeking to use the same core of older experienced players who are familiar with his methods.
He appears to distrust young inexperienced players so I’m not sure we would see the refreshment of the team that is so obviously required.
I wonder if his management of Palace has just come to the natural end of its cycle notwithstanding his signing of a new one year deal.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 8.39am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

To believe that a manager who loses 8 on the spin is unsackable is very Palace. Anywhere else in the PL he would be gone. You like a good stat Willo who was the last manager to lose 8 or more games on the spin and retain his job?

It is all down to context and circumstances at the time.
If 8 successive defeats are the fate of a side already struggling and in danger of relegation then there is scant little surprise if the club makes a decision regards the manager.
All dependant on circumstances around these defeats etc etc etc.

Hodgson has once again secured survival for us which is his sole objective.We possess an ageing squad and having to play a series of game in a relative short period of time can take it's toll.Having entrusted Hodgson with an extended contract the Board will not panic if we lose a number of games in these unusual circumstances.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jul 20 9.18am Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

It is all down to context and circumstances at the time.
If 8 successive defeats are the fate of a side already struggling and in danger of relegation then there is scant little surprise if the club makes a decision regards the manager.
All dependant on circumstances around these defeats etc etc etc.

Hodgson has once again secured survival for us which is his sole objective.We possess an ageing squad and having to play a series of game in a relative short period of time can take it's toll.Having entrusted Hodgson with an extended contract the Board will not panic if we lose a number of games in these unusual circumstances.

Blimey, you should be a Politician Willo, that totally dodged the Q? asked.

 


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View palace chick's Profile palace chick Flag South Croydon 13 Jul 20 9.25am Send a Private Message to palace chick Add palace chick as a friend

I just think that replacing Hodgson with a younger manager likely to stay with us if we get relegated next season is better now than waiting a season under Hodgson who will not be able to keep us up next season with this aging squad. Get someone in now who can build a younger team / squad who just may keep us up or get us into contention for coming back up if we do go down next season. It’s a risk but I just can’t see Hodgson working his normal miracle next season. Other than the first half v Bournemouth we and Norwich are the worst sides in the prem at this time. We will be in the same position next season as now with Hodgson going and will probably be relegated with a squad that may struggle to survive in the championship? I think Hodgson needs to go now but would love to be proved wrong.

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 13 Jul 20 9.51am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

With 3 workhorses in midfield (Koyuate, Luka, MacArthur) all more or less incapable of playing an "opening pass" to the front men, what to expect?
If the manager put out the same team vs United, I just think he has lost the plot.
And why why why not throw in a youngster (or two), start with players comfortable on the ball (ex Riedewald) and at least try to play some decent football.

 

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View Cpfc1861's Profile Cpfc1861 Flag 13 Jul 20 10.00am Send a Private Message to Cpfc1861 Add Cpfc1861 as a friend

in all honesty if we are going to spend money to improve the squad why let roy do it he will have to retire next year just bite the bullet now I cant watch this s***e anymore. Macca for Macca subs all the time.

 

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 13 Jul 20 10.06am Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

He has to go. Just looking at our goals scored. We have 30 with 3 games to go. Only in our first season up did we do this badly scoring 33 in the season. Since then we have scored 47, 41, 50, 46 and 51. Under Hodgson we are going backwards. Where are the youngsters being brought through now we are safe? Where's Kirby, or Banks, the youngster we got from Scotland? It's all so predictable. We all know what the side and formation will be every game because he never changes it (unless there are injuries and then it is just a like-for-like change). Hodgson has been managing for over 40 years - football has moved on in that time but Hodgson hasn't. He is too old and the team he picks each week are too old (we have had 18 of the 20 oldest PL teams this season). Put Cahill in charge - at least he's played in winning teams and knows what it's about.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Jul 20 10.25am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting.
Where is the accountability of Hodgson?
He is accountable for team selection, motivation, maximising resources and tactics.
The buck stops with him.
He seems to have tricked some people into the view that he has worked wonders keeping us up.
I don’t buy it, and don’t accept any justification for the type of negative football we play against the likes of Burnley and Villa.
Villa are a poor team and had less rest than us prior to yesterday’s game. Yet we looked like the relegation threatened team.
Where are the young players Hodgson promised to look at in the remaining games?
If I know the tactics he’s going to employ and substitutions he’s going to make every game you can be pretty sure the opposing managers do too.
Palace must be one of the easiest teams to defend against and Hodgson NEVER seeks to address this either through tactical changes or other innovations.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.38am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting.
Where is the accountability of Hodgson?
He is accountable for team selection, motivation, maximising resources and tactics.
The buck stops with him.
He seems to have tricked some people into the view that he has worked wonders keeping us up.
I don’t buy it, and don’t accept any justification for the type of negative football we play against the likes of Burnley and Villa.
Villa are a poor team and had less rest than us prior to yesterday’s game. Yet we looked like the relegation threatened team.
Where are the young players Hodgson promised to look at in the remaining games?
If I know the tactics he’s going to employ and substitutions he’s going to make every game you can be pretty sure the opposing managers do too.
Palace must be one of the easiest teams to defend against and Hodgson NEVER seeks to address this either through tactical changes or other innovations.

PatrickA

Are you suggesting that another manager could get the current squad to play a far more expansive and entertaining game and secure survival at the same time?

From my perspective we have short-comings in the squad in terms of creativity, the squad is ageing, lacking in energy and mobility at times and Hodgson can only work with the squad he has got.

 

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Online Flag South Cronx 13 Jul 20 10.38am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Any manager is only six games from his job being in question and Roy is no different. However, I don't see anyone plausible actually wanting the job other than someone after a quick payday.

The age of the squad and the fact that the owners wanted out even before we faced global economic slump are hardly a secret.

Thought the players looked tired and get the frustrations around Roy's reluctance to freshen things up but when the likes of Meyer and Riedewald are continually thrown up as main points of criticism it doesn't do much to strengthen the arguments against him.

Luka has looked particularly off the pace and it was notable McCarthy played instead of him in the three wins against Newcastle, Brighton and Watford which effectively saved the season.


this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.47am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

The contract extension was offered to keep Hodgson at the club because he had met his objectives of keeping the club in the PL for two seasons and there was every chance this was going to be extended to three seasons and this of course has been the case.

A 'Net spend' of just £8 Mill in the three seasons he has been at charge.He is seen as an experienced 'Safe pair of hands'.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 13 Jul 20 10.53am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Yes I do believe we could get enough points to stay up even if we didn’t keep 10 behind the ball every game.
Hodgson is not getting the best out of his resources as Zaha, Townsend, Benteke and Luka amongst others have gone backwards under him.
The only player who has arguably improved under Hodgson is Ayew.
I don’t buy the Hodgson myth full stop.

 

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