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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 27 Jul 20 10.48am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by BM

I really hope Roy stays and is given some decent players to work with. It’s been a good season overall and the rigour he brings to the team is important. It might not be the most exciting football but how many non-top six sides stay up AND entertain? He’s an excellent manager and if we replace him I think we are more likely to go down next season.

We stayed up. Yes that's good. But we have played some of the worst football anyone can remember and ended the season getting 1 point from 24. No so good.

 


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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 27 Jul 20 10.52am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I do get the impression that large swathes of our supporters are thinking along the lines of "Oh, NO, not another season with Hodgson and his boring tactics".

I am increasingly hearing "Time for a change".

I,m increasingly looking toward joining all the we used to be someone’s in the Championship and lower , much earlier than we needed to be, if the moaners get their way.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglehamster

We stayed up. Yes that's good. But we have played some of the worst football anyone can remember and ended the season getting 1 point from 24. No so good.

We played almost everyone in top ten in our last run of games with a load of injuries and nothing to play for and no support.
We were actually safe way before the lockdown.


Supporters need a reality check.
We spent next to no money for several seasons and stayed up easily.
How can anyone possibly criticise the manager?

Does anyone really think we can open games up and play exciting football all the time with the squad we have?

Wake up.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Jul 20 11.18am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We played almost everyone in top ten in our last run of games with a load of injuries and nothing to play for and no support.
We were actually safe way before the lockdown.


Supporters need a reality check.
We spent next to no money for several seasons and stayed up easily.
How can anyone possibly criticise the manager?

Does anyone really think we can open games up and play exciting football all the time with the squad we have?

Wake up.

First paragraph is spot on.
My complaint about Roy is his resistance to using subs, we never seem to want to chase the game and his insist on keeping it to 0-0 at half time.
We have spent very little money and it looks like this will continue. Why? To me this is the biggest question as it was our Chairman who stated you cannot stand still and should not be happy with doing so.
The transfer window will be interesting and somewhat informative

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jul 20 11.31am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Good qustions. I made a post a while ago when it is clear we were safe asking what people wanted to see from the last few games. I think it should have been a discussion between Parish and Roy and we should have had a clear stratergy either way.

The options we had were;

1) Stick with our best team, and hope we finish as high up the league as possible.

2) Treat the matches as friendlys, try out some different players, see what we have to build on for next season.

We stuck with our best team, lost 7 games and drew one against a Spurs side who weren't pushing for a win. Therefore, the manager got it wrong.

In the matches we were losing, we failed to make uses of our substitutions to either chase the game or give the youngesters a run out. Roy's biggest concern seemed to be goal difference. He can always come in after a games with the same cliches about how the thought we were unlucky.

So Roy didn't chase the highest possible league finish but still played what he thought was our best team.

If we treated the games like friendlies, we could have seen what players might be able to contribute to the side next season, if a player played well, we could save or make millions in the transfer market. B

But Roy decided to play our senior players, showing that there is no real competition for first team places.

Your second question is pretty loaded and your language is quite devisive, and contains a typical Roy Hodgson appologist excuse. I can tell you that I wouldn't have bought on an experienced defensive midfielder for a winger with two minutes to go. I'd have like to have seen something done earlier, and with more attacking intent. We had Pierreck, Meyer, Kirby, and Gordon on the bench. We could even have bought on Woods and stuck Dann up front. Again, had we lost, we'd finish in exactly the same league position.

Contiually giving players 2 mintues on the pitch in just seems like an insult to the players, unless he's trying to kill a game off.

A draw with Spurs, on the last day of the season, when they only needed a draw, isn't some great acheivement to celebrate. It can't be used to hide from the fact we lost 7 in a row before then. In Roy's fans minds, it's his Dunkirk.

Lombardo stuck a young Clinton Morrison on the pitch for 10 minutes against Sheffield Wednesday on the last day of the season in 1998. He grabbed a tap in and gave the fans something to be hopeful for going into the next season.

Ok, so you didn't answer my first question, merely re stated your options. And how can you say that he didn't chase the highest league position although he continued to select his best team - I don't follow that train of thought.

If I was a manager at any level and my team had lost 7 on the bounce, I would most certainly want to do my utmost to protect a point. Bringing on an untried youngster for 2 minutes ? - not the answer. As for your Woods / Dann suggestion, well I think you're in a minority of one if you seriously think that was a viable option.

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 11.32am Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We played almost everyone in top ten in our last run of games with a load of injuries and nothing to play for and no support.
We were actually safe way before the lockdown.


Supporters need a reality check.
We spent next to no money for several seasons and stayed up easily.
How can anyone possibly criticise the manager?

Does anyone really think we can open games up and play exciting football all the time with the squad we have?

Wake up.

You're not wrong, Hrolf.

 


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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 27 Jul 20 11.40am Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We played almost everyone in top ten in our last run of games with a load of injuries and nothing to play for and no support.
We were actually safe way before the lockdown.


Supporters need a reality check.
We spent next to no money for several seasons and stayed up easily.
How can anyone possibly criticise the manager?

Does anyone really think we can open games up and play exciting football all the time with the squad we have?

Wake up.


I'm fully awake thanks.
I think you'll find no criticism in my post. I was stating the facts.

The fact that there has been so little investment over the last 3 years is indeed the probable reason
the team is now threadbare.

I have at no time called for Roy's sacking but surely you'll agree with me that something has to change.

 


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jeeagles Flag 27 Jul 20 11.52am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Ok, so you didn't answer my first question, merely re stated your options. And how can you say that he didn't chase the highest league position although he continued to select his best team - I don't follow that train of thought.

If I was a manager at any level and my team had lost 7 on the bounce, I would most certainly want to do my utmost to protect a point. Bringing on an untried youngster for 2 minutes ? - not the answer. As for your Woods / Dann suggestion, well I think you're in a minority of one if you seriously think that was a viable option.

I said, that you'd pick a statergy and either us youth players, or go for the points. We made a half arsed attempt to go for the points and failed because of our negative tactics.

I'd prefer it if we went for a death or glory approach in the final minutes, particularly if we were safe in the knowledge that we couldn't drop a league position.

You completely ignored my point about Morrison's debut. Why not give it a go? I'd give them much longer than two minutes. That's pointless unless you are trying to kill off a game. Woods/Dann may not have been the answer (although Dann did come close with the final chance of the game), but we still had Meyer, Pierreck, Kirby, and Gordon. I bet if Roy was in charge in 1998 he'd have played Padavano, although at the time he was busy screwing up Blackburn.

A draw yesterday won't make a blind bit of difference to the current slump we are in.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 27 Jul 20 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster


I'm fully awake thanks.
I think you'll find no criticism in my post. I was stating the facts.

The fact that there has been so little investment over the last 3 years is indeed the probable reason
the team is now threadbare.

I have at no time called for Roy's sacking but surely you'll agree with me that something has to change.


Something does have to change . Unlike yourself many on here seem to think that getting rid of Hodgson, is that change. But as you point out the problems Palace actually have are so great that only a really experienced knowledgable manager could have kept us in this league.
How anyone can think it’s Hodgsons fault we don’t recruit enough quality players to fill his squad out , is beyond belief.
It must be obvious by now ,that the board can’t offer top draw signings on a regular basis . We are just lucky we have someone willing to work under those conditions, let alone keep us at this level.

 

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 27 Jul 20 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

The 12 month business is probably about Roy's age and whether he will feel up to it 12 months hence. I suspect SP will be happy to keep extending for 12 months whilst ever Roy feels he can continue to do the job. In other words, if it looks like we will survive next season and Roy still feels he can do the job, expect another 12 month extension agreed next Spring.

So our strategy is to keep an old boy in the job for as long as the old boy feels like he can get out of bed each morning? My God I really hope things aren't as clueless as that. We're a football club not a nursing home.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 27 Jul 20 12.15pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


Something does have to change . Unlike yourself many on here seem to think that getting rid of Hodgson, is that change. But as you point out the problems Palace actually have are so great that only a really experienced knowledgable manager could have kept us in this league.
How anyone can think it’s Hodgsons fault we don’t recruit enough quality players to fill his squad out , is beyond belief.
It must be obvious by now ,that the board can’t offer top draw signings on a regular basis . We are just lucky we have someone willing to work under those conditions, let alone keep us at this level.

It's statements like these that don't hold water. Hodgson inherited a decent enough squad:
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which he has slowly turned into a bunch of headless chicken numpties almost afraid to cross the half way line lest they break the shape mantra. I note that he did the same whilst England manager - he had the cream of English players to choose from yet by the end of his reign they looked like they had never seen a football. The fact that Southgate came in with a different vision attests to Hodgson's failures. If Parish can find replacements in a short space of time for the likes of Pulis, Allerdyce and particularly FdB, then I'm sure he can find one for Hodgson.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jul 20 12.23pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I said, that you'd pick a statergy and either us youth players, or go for the points. We made a half arsed attempt to go for the points and failed because of our negative tactics.

I'd prefer it if we went for a death or glory approach in the final minutes, particularly if we were safe in the knowledge that we couldn't drop a league position.

You completely ignored my point about Morrison's debut. Why not give it a go? I'd give them much longer than two minutes. That's pointless unless you are trying to kill off a game. Woods/Dann may not have been the answer (although Dann did come close with the final chance of the game), but we still had Meyer, Pierreck, Kirby, and Gordon. I bet if Roy was in charge in 1998 he'd have played Padavano, although at the time he was busy screwing up Blackburn.

A draw yesterday won't make a blind bit of difference to the current slump we are in.

And you are choosing to ignore my first question - how do you think Parish would have reacted if Hodgson had told him he wanted to '' experiment ' in the last 8 games ?

You might prefer to go for '' death or glory '' but you aren't a Premier League manager. A draw DOES make a difference. A tiny step perhaps, but one in the right direction. So yes, Hodgson was trying to kill the game off and protect the point. Ask the players if they felt better at getting a point yesterday as the result of their putting a shift in or whether they wished the manager had gambled and they had lost the game. I think I can predict what the answers would be.

 


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