This is the only relevant point made in this thread.

Our integrity has been, up to this point, our major stock in trade. What else do have we got that others don't? Keeping our word is why people trust us.

Throw that away and we are in a race to the bottom. There is much more at stake here than Brexit. If there is a problem with the agreement it should have been identified before. Now we must live with it and deal with any issues that arise within it or via further negotiations.

Whether the current batch of MPs have sufficient integrity themselves to stand up and be counted on the side of the righteous remains to be seen but the previous one's all do don't they?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I was in Poland last week they have a far lower infection rate than the UK. Like us they had a lockdown but when it ended they were simply told to wear masks in shops, public transport etc.

What I noticed is the high level of compliance I am struggling to remember anybody on the trams, buses, trains etc. who didn't. I assume as they all comply this is why the rate is so low.

My point is that instead of bringing out new and complicated rules on a weekly basis just have one simple rule. Wear a mask and if you don't you get fined. It is a curious thing in Poland they must have the healthiest people in the world, no asthmatics or any form of breathing illnesses otherwise I would have seen more non mask wearers.

Or maybe those people have learned to wear a mask or aren't a bunch of self entitled idiots who claim they can't but provide no proof.

Boris needs to tell the police to enforce the law and fine these people not warn them. We will have a few days of moans about victimisation but once they idiots realise they might be out of pocket they will comply and hopefully drive the infection rate down.

I got back and a neighbour told me she had taken a bus in South London and about half the people on it were not complying. Hopefully those are the idiots who get the virus (justice).

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2020 8.15am)

One more point

So it's 'ultra vires' you can probably refuse.

Or should we say 'ultra virus'

If all world governments,or most are willing to piss off there voting base imho there is something going on. I was about in the 80s and this financial crisis doesnt get close. This is both predictable and has help. In the 80s it was get on with it.
I think I should do everything to protect others.
If wearing a mask protects 1 person then I will wear a mask. Hopefully someone else will think the same and protect me. Boris said one persons runny nose is someone else's death. Metaphorically.

You are so right.
I was at a garage co-op yesterday and there were five really chavvy Women outside their cars, way too close together and being generally awful.
Ten mins later two of them just went in to the store without masks and shopped and no one stopped them.
I had left the store at that point but may well have said something had I been in there.
Wear a mask. wash your hands, do your bit when out and about and we have half a chance of not being locked down for the next 6 months but with dicks like this in the UK that is unlikely to be the case and they will be the first ones to complain.
That is why we could never have done a "Sweden" - because of the lack of common sense amongst the masses who think that it doesn't matter and the rules do not apply to them.

Science has given part of the answer they didn't have a few months back. And clearly you dont want to even try to prevent it spreading.
Will you be sorry if concrete un arguable evidence emerges that they can save lives in which case between then and now you may already have got infected by a non mask wearer or given it to another person. Just wondering what your hang up actually is tbh.