I’m not sure about that. If there’s still a virus, masks, unemployment, working from home, habit of eating at home or buying everything at the supermarket then I’m not as confident as you. In some areas some will survive. But the margins in eating out are small and the amount of covers (customers) needs to be high.

Plus there’s more working and shopping from home. A big concern of mine is small businesses vanishing and big businesses making that race to the bottom in wages faster. We’ve seen acceleration in shopping online away from the high street and getting used to never leaving the house that would’ve taken decades.

COYP

Where have you got those stats? Are they just reported cases? Talk of actual cases being 10 times higher than reported in spring/summer.

COYP

Here we go again. If I got a pound each time I got a sensible reply from you I'd be broke. As you well know before you wasted my time in giving a serious and considered reply, the vaccines are going through large scale studies.

If you're going to play the fool with 'if it kills them in a slow and painful manner', I may as well say well if it doesn't do that and they don't have the vaccine then that becomes the risk. In all likelihood, due to how vulnerable certain groups are, your frankensteins monster reality of how it will pan out probably isn't helpful or in the least bit realistic.

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Give it a rest. You have very effete sensitivities for someone who routinely lays it down like you're reading from a stone tablet whenever you reply to anyone. "You questioned my numeracy, it's bullying". *hands over tissue*

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 10.54pm)

It's this kind of reasoning that unleashed Thalidomide on the world. (Did you ever encounter the results?)

In your small mind, that's ok.

You can waste your time as much as you like, but you cannot state that a vaccine developed in record time can be considered safe. It cannot. I gave a worst case scenario. You dismiss it. Which is what is causing these restrictions. But you seem fine with those.

Also, you have started to resort to talking down to me. Again. Once you start to talk down to people, you lose all respect.

Can you not see that it might be possible that the vaccine that is presented to the public might be flawed? Or are you clinging to your own "safety blanket"? Because after all, we are all talking if's, maybe's and perhaps? Nothing is known.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Yes, yes of course it is. Those in especially vulnerable groups where they're at risk from death anyway getting access to a vaccine following mass stage 3 studies, really are responsible for attitudes that result in disabled children. Thanks for the insight.

Your 'in your small mind', and disingenuous 'i'm just asking' guff before having silly flippant responses to considered replies is par of the course for you. You routinely talk in some grandiose fashion to people and then are affronted when they reply in a matter of fact way back. Get over yourself.

What's 'the vaccine' when it's at home? There are 11 stage three vaccines in mass testing, a few of which are being tested in this country. I'm not saying that they are being handed over by Christ himself. If you live on the same planet as the rest of us you'll await the study results that are out in a month or so and then deduce from that whether the vaccines appear to be a non starter of something that will potentially save countless lives. And then from there, if people are especially at risk they can make a choice. Is it pointless argument day for you? If someone feels they will benefit they can have it, if they don't then don't. We can all play 'what if' in either direction.