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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 20 12.11am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Dealing with factual evidence is what I am talking about. Expressing opinions about the past performance of the EU is obviously a legitimate debating point. Leave though went well beyond that as they suggested many things that were simply aspirations presented as fact. You have only to look at the way the "trade deals" were handled and how easy they would be to achieve. "Within days" of leaving was the promise. Countless new agreements with the rest of the world would flow like milk and honey into our sceptred isle. Del Boy garbage sold to the gullible. PR ensures genuine representative democracy and stops either the right or the left gaining, usually only temporily, any kind of handle on power. It avoids roller coaster politics and produces slow but steady progress. Much the better alternative. Nothing is perfect. That anyone can still support this idiot is the puzzle. Which will engage historians for years to come as they try to analyse the reasons why it has happened. Different opinions are normal but there is nothing normal about Trump. The consequences of leaving the EU have not been realised. Therefore all the negatives you claim are still just the scaremongering they always were. Also, the economic factors were only one aspect of any decision. You seem deliberately blind to the other reasons why people feared continued membership. PR most certainly guarantees perpetual political stalemate and an inability to make timely policy. The advarsarial two party system is by no means ideal but if it is replaced, it must be with something workable and not a ball and chain to decision making. Trump is President for obvious reasons. A very large proportion of the United States did not trust Hillary Clinton, and with good reason, and feared,with good reason, the 'Hispanicification' of America and all the cultural problems it brings. White America rejected the policies that place them last and some of non White America rejected the victim mantra in favour of self determination. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Oct 2020 12.14am)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Dealing with factual evidence is what I am talking about. Expressing opinions about the past performance of the EU is obviously a legitimate debating point. Leave though went well beyond that as they suggested many things that were simply aspirations presented as fact. You have only to look at the way the "trade deals" were handled and how easy they would be to achieve. "Within days" of leaving was the promise. Countless new agreements with the rest of the world would flow like milk and honey into our sceptred isle. Del Boy garbage sold to the gullible.

PR ensures genuine representative democracy and stops either the right or the left gaining, usually only temporily, any kind of handle on power. It avoids roller coaster politics and produces slow but steady progress. Much the better alternative. Nothing is perfect.

That anyone can still support this idiot is the puzzle. Which will engage historians for years to come as they try to analyse the reasons why it has happened. Different opinions are normal but there is nothing normal about Trump.

The consequences of leaving the EU have not been realised. Therefore all the negatives you claim are still just the scaremongering they always were.
Also, the economic factors were only one aspect of any decision. You seem deliberately blind to the other reasons why people feared continued membership.

PR most certainly guarantees perpetual political stalemate and an inability to make timely policy. The advarsarial two party system is by no means ideal but if it is replaced, it must be with something workable and not a ball and chain to decision making.

Trump is President for obvious reasons. A very large proportion of the United States did not trust Hillary Clinton, and with good reason, and feared,with good reason, the 'Hispanicification' of America and all the cultural problems it brings. White America rejected the policies that place them last and some of non White America rejected the victim mantra in favour of self determination.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 20 7.43pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The consequences of leaving the EU have not been realised. Therefore all the negatives you claim are still just the scaremongering they always were. Also, the economic factors were only one aspect of any decision. You seem deliberately blind to the other reasons why people feared continued membership. Far too much Brexit here but of course they haven't yet been realised as we remain in transition. The effect though is very far from scaremongering. The impact becomes clearer every day. The promised easy peasy deal looks a dead duck. Where are all the new deals that will replace it? I don't see a queue! I don't see anything that suggests people "feared" remaining. I heard a lot of emotional claptrap, but not a lot else. PR most certainly guarantees perpetual political stalemate and an inability to make timely policy. The advarsarial two party system is by no means ideal but if it is replaced, it must be with something workable and not a ball and chain to decision making. Completely untrue. it produces the need to compromise and irons out swings to the margins. Those who use it seem to manage pretty well. Trump is President for obvious reasons. A very large proportion of the United States did not trust Hillary Clinton, and with good reason, and feared,with good reason, the 'Hispanicification' of America and all the cultural problems it brings. White America rejected the policies that place them last and some of non White America rejected the victim mantra in favour of self determination. A large proportion that did not constitute a majority. Deflecting the blame onto Clinton doesn't address the issue of Trump himself. That the US political system no longer serves is true but Trump only makes that worse. He is the equivalent in US politics of taking bleach to cure C19. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Oct 2020 12.14am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Far too much Brexit here but of course they haven't yet been realised as we remain in transition. The effect though is very far from scaremongering. The impact becomes clearer every day. The promised easy peasy deal looks a dead duck. Where are all the new deals that will replace it? I don't see a queue! I don't see anything that suggests people "feared" remaining. I heard a lot of emotional claptrap, but not a lot else.

Completely untrue. it produces the need to compromise and irons out swings to the margins. Those who use it seem to manage pretty well.

A large proportion that did not constitute a majority. Deflecting the blame onto Clinton doesn't address the issue of Trump himself. That the US political system no longer serves is true but Trump only makes that worse. He is the equivalent in US politics of taking bleach to cure C19.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Oct 2020 12.14am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Oct 20 7.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You're replies are getting more humourous. I enjoyed the bleach comment. Keep it up! Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Oct 20 7.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You're replies are getting more humourous. I enjoyed the bleach comment. Keep it up!

Red and Blue Army!

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 20 9.11pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC You're replies are getting more humourous. I enjoyed the bleach comment. Keep it up! And less substantial.
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18 Oct 20 9.11pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

You're replies are getting more humourous. I enjoyed the bleach comment. Keep it up!

And less substantial.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Oct 20 12.18am
[Link] CNN analyst and smear merchant caught w***ing on camera. Of course CNN instead of sacking him have asked him to take some time off. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Oct 20 12.18am

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CNN analyst and smear merchant caught w***ing on camera. Of course CNN instead of sacking him have asked him to take some time off.

Pro USA & Israel

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Teddy Eagle 20 Oct 20 12.55am
Originally posted by Jimenez [Link] CNN analyst and smear merchant caught w***ing on camera. Of course CNN instead of sacking him have asked him to take some time off. �I believed I was not visible on Zoom�. Kind of defeats its purpose.
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20 Oct 20 12.55am

Originally posted by Jimenez

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CNN analyst and smear merchant caught w***ing on camera. Of course CNN instead of sacking him have asked him to take some time off.

�I believed I was not visible on Zoom�.
Kind of defeats its purpose.

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Oct 20 9.13am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And less substantial. Better that than neither, eh Judge?
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Croydon 20 Oct 20 9.13am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And less substantial.

Better that than neither, eh Judge?

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 20 10.25am
Originally posted by Mapletree Better that than neither, eh Judge? I'll take that as a compliment. The 'Judge' was right about everything as it turned out.
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20 Oct 20 10.25am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Better that than neither, eh Judge?

I'll take that as a compliment.

The 'Judge' was right about everything as it turned out.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Oct 20 10.31am
Originally posted by Jimenez [Link] CNN analyst and smear merchant caught w***ing on camera. Of course CNN instead of sacking him have asked him to take some time off. We all do it. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Oct 20 10.31am

Originally posted by Jimenez

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CNN analyst and smear merchant caught w***ing on camera. Of course CNN instead of sacking him have asked him to take some time off.

We all do it.

Red and Blue Army!

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Mapletree Croydon 20 Oct 20 1.01pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'll take that as a compliment. The 'Judge' was right about everything as it turned out. Will you? You think no substance and no humour makes a great poster. That explains quite a lot.
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Croydon 20 Oct 20 1.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'll take that as a compliment.

The 'Judge' was right about everything as it turned out.

Will you? You think no substance and no humour makes a great poster. That explains quite a lot.

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