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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Sep 20 11.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

You know it's quite incredible that a grown adult would seriously put forward the idea that because person A seems believable to them, that we must then believe without any other actual evidence.

Blinkers isn't the half of it, trolling more like.

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Sep 20 7.32am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did you watch the hearing? If so what did you see that I didn't?

It wasn't just what she said that was compelling, or indeed on it's own, that important. He could easily have brushed it off by apologising, saying it was over stated and misremembered teenage antics and asking people to consider his record as a man, a father and a Judge. But no, he went full on Trump and took the blanket denial route, which given the authenticity of the witness made him look like a liar.

No I didn’t as I am not that interested and have a life. I made a general comment, One which my grandfather used a lot, especially when he was discussing politics, as always you have put your own slant on it.


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Sep 20 7.48am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did you watch the hearing? If so what did you see that I didn't?

It wasn't just what she said that was compelling, or indeed on it's own, that important. He could easily have brushed it off by apologising, saying it was over stated and misremembered teenage antics and asking people to consider his record as a man, a father and a Judge. But no, he went full on Trump and took the blanket denial route, which given the authenticity of the witness made him look like a liar.

The witness only remembered the incident decades after it occurred and after she had undergone therapy. If the therapy was to recover her memories under hypnosis that is a discredited treatment due to the large number of cases of false memories. It may well be that she is convinced it happened when it never did.

It was a joke that the hearings were not allowed to question her on this therapy which after all was pivotal in her remembering.

As for the judge why should he apologize for something if it never happened. Just because you found her credible it doesn't mean it's a fact that she was assaulted. If you are going to destroy someone's career it might be nice to have some evidence as well.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 29 Sep 20 8.15am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The witness only remembered the incident decades after it occurred and after she had undergone therapy. If the therapy was to recover her memories under hypnosis that is a discredited treatment due to the large number of cases of false memories. It may well be that she is convinced it happened when it never did.

It was a joke that the hearings were not allowed to question her on this therapy which after all was pivotal in her remembering.

As for the judge why should he apologize for something if it never happened. Just because you found her credible it doesn't mean it's a fact that she was assaulted. If you are going to destroy someone's career it might be nice to have some evidence as well.

Careful Wisbech is never wrong

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Oct 20 8.11am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Interesting article from NY Times about Ginsberg and her decision to stay on.

[Link]

It would appear that privately many people close to her thought she was selfish not to step down when Obama was in power.

Chickens may come home to roost.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 27 Oct 20 7.18am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Chickens may come home to roost.

Indeed they have done...

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Oct 20 7.58am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Indeed they have done...

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Not to worry Sleep Joe has said he will stack the court if he wins even if it means increasing the number of judges. Of course that is NOT the same thing as Trump has done he is a very bad man.

 


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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 27 Oct 20 3.33pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not to worry Sleep Joe has said he will stack the court if he wins even if it means increasing the number of judges. Of course that is NOT the same thing as Trump has done he is a very bad man.

Its called packing the court, or court packing.

It means increasing the number of judges, in terms of the supreme court.

It would be a fool's errand for Biden though, as the republicans would eventually be in power again, and they would add more again...

Except for 2 scenarios.

1 - Biden manages to amend the constitution to say, for arguments sake, 15 is the maximum, and he adds 6 liberals. I can imagine the right wing tears now.

2 - Biden has the senate and congress for a couple of years, then he can finally change voting laws here designed to suppress voting by democrats, and you may never see another republican president ever, so no republican could ever appoint another supreme court justice again. I can imagine more right wing tears on that one.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 27 Oct 20 8.29pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Its called packing the court, or court packing.

It means increasing the number of judges, in terms of the supreme court.

It would be a fool's errand for Biden though, as the republicans would eventually be in power again, and they would add more again...

Except for 2 scenarios.

1 - Biden manages to amend the constitution to say, for arguments sake, 15 is the maximum, and he adds 6 liberals. I can imagine the right wing tears now.

2 - Biden has the senate and congress for a couple of years, then he can finally change voting laws here designed to suppress voting by democrats, and you may never see another republican president ever, so no republican could ever appoint another supreme court justice again. I can imagine more right wing tears on that one.

You forgot the third one. Full on civil war. Seriously. Or do you think these kinds of stunts would just be written off as political high jinx?

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 27 Oct 20 9.33pm

Originally posted by Matov

You forgot the third one. Full on civil war. Seriously. Or do you think these kinds of stunts would just be written off as political high jinx?

Not allowing a vote on Merrick Garland could be described as a stunt. Confirming a justice 'during' a presidential election could also be described as a stunt. Republicans States have been expanding the number of seats on their states’ high courts [Link] and packing courts with lifetime appointed judges in numbers never seen before [Link] It's not for one party to reshape the rules, and the other to sit around.

If Democrats win the Presidency, Senate and House, once the opposites get over their 'it's rigged!' programming (or don't), there will essentially be a mandate from the American people and a rejection of what has come before. What they do with that is down to them just as it will be (and has been) if the GOP wins, but the rhetoric and actions of the last four years hardly signal a President trying to avoid a Civil War. He actively stokes divisions in a way that is off the charts by any acknowledged standard. My inclination though, is that Biden would be more moderate and 'reach across the isle', so we're more likely to have a boring 4 years they don't take real political advantage of. Contrast that with what Trump will turn the November - January transition period into, and you'll get a more accurate view of who is looking for the war.


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 27 Oct 20 9.42pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


My inclination though, is that Biden would be more moderate and 'reach across the isle', so we're more likely to have a boring 4 years they don't take real political advantage of.


Edited by BlueJay (27 Oct 2020 9.35pm)

Biden will not even be allowed into his own office beyond PR photographs. Do you honestly think he will be running the show?

Ever since 2016 the Left have been constantly trying to undermine the results of democratic elections. Be it Brexit or Trump, the unrelenting effort has been to try and have both results declared null and void.

The Left have utterly undermined any confidence in the democratic process and if the Democrats try to rig the Federal system then all hell will, quite rightly, break loose.

Before 2016 the losing side just shrugged their shoulders and moved on but since then? No. The losers have done nothing other than try and re-write history. That comes at a price.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Not to worry Sleep Joe has said he will stack the court if he wins even if it means increasing the number of judges. Of course that is NOT the same thing as Trump has done he is a very bad man.

Parroting Trump's silly epithet? Biden hasn't said he will pack the court! In fact he has spoken against the idea in the past as he knows very well it could easily rebound in the future.

What he has reserved his position and will consider what to do when he knows what is actually needed AND possible.

That something will be needed is obvious. Removing any suspicion of political influence from the highest court is essential. Changing the voting rules within the Senate back to requiring cross party support of candidates and setting term limits for justices may do it.

 


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