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 SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 13 Nov 20 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I think perhaps your knowledge is lagging a little behind your emotions, and to be frank it doesn't seem like you'd have to get very emotional for that to happen. If you can point me towards an available, affordable brownfield site in South London big enough to house a 40,000 seater stadium and the requisite transport links then I'll be happy to amend my view. If you can top that by explaining how a new-build stadium would somehow be exempt from the type of planning contributions in the current S106 agreement then I might even give some credence to the rest of what you say. For those not in the know, a brownfield site is one within the urban area which has been developed before in some way (so not a park or a field etc). If you are beginning to think such a huge plot might be hard to find and/or hideously expensive (particularly compared to land we already own and which has a football ground on it), congratulations: You are living in the real world. Zing. Finally some sense
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| Painter Croydon 13 Nov 20 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Planning and development is one of the departments that is deemed an 'essential' service, so won't be subject to spending restrictions. Not sure if that also means it will be exempt from cuts, but we shall see A mate of mine is employed by Croydon Council, he told me a few weeks ago, they are cutting jobs left right and centre, as they were bankrupt. That nice shinny new council office will be less than half filled.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Nov 20 11.02pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
A mate of mine is employed by Croydon Council, he told me a few weeks ago, they are cutting jobs left right and centre, as they were bankrupt. That nice shinny new council office will be less than half filled. They’re going to have to sell a lot of assets. Cuts had already been underway before this all started, and ultimately you can only make so many staff redundant.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 14 Nov 20 10.34am |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
I bet Parish had little idea what he was getting involved in when he decided for Place to stay at Selhurst and try and build a new stand. With regard to building houses I have one phrase which sums it up, ‘Sustainable development’ What do you think happens if you give free rein for widespread development? You need supporting infrastructure, schools, sewage, roads etc. You don’t see developers crying out to go and build the background infrastructure necessary to support hundreds of homes quite simply because it vastly reduces their profit margins. Yes, the planning system is slow, it always has been, however there are perfectly valid reasons behind it being so. Local Authorities have very little money to put into major schemes and neither the Highways or Schools or Health Authorities as their budgets have been decimated over the years, therefore the only way to put suitable infrastructure in place is to seek financial assistance from developers as part of an overall scheme. It is not a case of ripping anyone off, it’s about creating an overall sustainable development that is able to support itself and not just line developers pockets. Going back to Palace and our situation, I too have a dream of a large out of town stadium perhaps adjoining an outlet Mall with bars and restaurants that becomes a great place to visit even when there are no events at the stadium. However there are no suitable brown field sites in our area therefore it would have to be a green field site near the M25 and that requires political will not just at a local level, but a national level to make happen which is just not there.
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jeeagles  14 Nov 20 10.48am |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I think perhaps your knowledge is lagging a little behind your emotions, and to be frank it doesn't seem like you'd have to get very emotional for that to happen. If you can point me towards an available, affordable brownfield site in South London big enough to house a 40,000 seater stadium and the requisite transport links then I'll be happy to amend my view. If you can top that by explaining how a new-build stadium would somehow be exempt from the type of planning contributions in the current S106 agreement then I might even give some credence to the rest of what you say. For those not in the know, a brownfield site is one within the urban area which has been developed before in some way (so not a park or a field etc). If you are beginning to think such a huge plot might be hard to find and/or hideously expensive (particularly compared to land we already own and which has a football ground on it), congratulations: You are living in the real world. Brownfield doesn't necessarily have to be in an urban area. It is a site that has been used as something such as a factory, power station, petrol station or dump where the land is contaminated. It can be bought fairly cheaply if you take on the responsibility of remediation, but you'd have to pay and wait for the contaminated land remediation in any brown field site. Selhust is probably built on contaminated land, which will drop its land value through the floor.
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| imashed surrey 14 Nov 20 12.43pm |
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Why don't we try buying out Croydon fc and spin the ground round and nick a bit of the sewage farm as well as diverting the tram etc .
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| Palace in the Blood 14 Nov 20 12.58pm |
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There are arguements both ways . If (and it is a big if) a brown field site could be found then planning would be off set gainst the potential of converting Selhurst Park into a site for Housing in a Similar way to Brentfords new ground with Griffin Park now destined for housing. This would make getting planning permission slightly easier as no house would need demolishing and tenants moved. However there would still be infra structure projects such as transport links, parking , traffic and noise issues that would be linked and certainly prove part of the planning approval
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| pax3908 14 Nov 20 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Palace in the Blood
There are arguements both ways . If (and it is a big if) a brown field site could be found then planning would be off set gainst the potential of converting Selhurst Park into a site for Housing in a Similar way to Brentfords new ground with Griffin Park now destined for housing. This would make getting planning permission slightly easier as no house would need demolishing and tenants moved. However there would still be infra structure projects such as transport links, parking , traffic and noise issues that would be linked and certainly prove part of the planning approval
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| Palace in the Blood 14 Nov 20 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by pax3908
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Nov 20 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Palace in the Blood
It would only happen if Khan / government offered us a sweetheart deal e.g. they built it we rented it. Even then as others has posted it would be a battle with the neighbours for years.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Nov 20 4.30pm |
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Gaudi's cathedral will be completed quicker than our one stand at this rate.
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| est1905 14 Nov 20 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by imashed
Why don't we try buying out Croydon fc and spin the ground round and nick a bit of the sewage farm as well as diverting the tram etc . Because if we buy their ground they will have to ground share with us or they will need to find somewhere else (which they wont be able to (dont suggest Selhurst, its simply not suitable for a low league club in maintenance costs alone. The only other option would be to merge with them. Rules say with a merger the 'new' club has to start again in the position the lower placed of the two clubs currently sit.
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