I'm not sure you could describe Sweden as 'The most feminist country in the world' per se. You could certainly describe it as 'The most egalitarian country in the world'. There is a difference.

Jordan Peterson has made some interesting points on how egalitarianism actually drives more difference than people would initially expect. However, that does not mean egalitarianism should not be a noble aim of all societies, it absolutely should, as long as that aim is not radical equality across everything (eg. equalising biological/genetic differences, which currently, is impossible anyway).

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

You can't have one without the other.

Egalitarianism is the ultimate ideologically 'nice' disaster. It forms the nice bits within communism and that's why it leads to a large deliberate pile of bones.

I accept that there is a benevolent form of communism....I have met and corresponded with well meaning communists. There are good truths within it. However, there were also well meaning fascists at the beginning.

The problem comes with the reality that human nature doesn't chime with overtly authoritarian philosophies, which ultimately both of them are.

I'm not certain what the best system is....if it even can exist. However, what I am quite sure about is that meritocracy figures quite high in any successful system......and muted capitalism also seems to work well.

Not so sure about Democracy....because to paraphrase Churchill 'it's s***e'.....but then again both communism and fascism do rather get carried away with themselves don't they.

But to bring my detour back....Egalitarianism works against human nature, and hence it's always going to be a corrupt version....and all corruption leads to repression and its enforcement.

I'm a strong supporter of philosophies that recognise and work with average human nature behaviours rather than try to impose unrealistic standards upon it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2020 4.31pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The nature of politics means that 'moderate versions' of any philosophy rarely works out.....activists make stuff happen and 'activist centralists' are few indeed.

To focus on your examples....I think wage equality inherently works against meritocracy....though I would agree that the market overly expands wage differences due to competition.

As for 'workplace sexism'....well that covers a large area.

Many women and men have few issues being treated like women and men...it's only feminists of both genders who don't....Yet they impose their joyless ideology legally.

I don't want a world where joyless drones are given power and finger wag at every infringement of social justice they can think of.

Like I say, I prefer systems that work with average human behaviour rather than against it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2020 5.03pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'd say just because things rarely work out does not mean they should not be attempted... Even if they are not achieved in full there are elements that will be implemented. Otherwise it's just more of the same / don't even bother, which seems a bit defeatist.

Wage equality properly implemented (ie. pay someone the going rate for their ability regardless of gender) is just common sense. Wage equality in the form of positive discrimination, or reductive commentary without analysis such as some of the noise around the recent BBC pay equality is nonsense. That actually is just as bad as the problem it is trying to solve.

I'm not saying that extremes should be implemented, I agree on that. I also agree on 'average' behaviour to an extent, although the determination of what 'average' is, is of course subjective. Gender or not, respect, equivalence and fairness are a long way off as general principles in the workplace, even now.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

says the bloke whose only contribution to every discussion is to shout b*llocks.

you said you believe in equality and are therefore a Feminist. The two are opposites. did you not get that distinction ? Ask a clever friend to explain it to you while talking very slowly.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

haha. Completely true, but also absolutely moronic considering the reasoning behind why you've posted it

You do of course realise it is more nuanced than that. Equality doesn't have to mean everyone has to be equal at everything. Granted there are plenty of hardcore activists that do think that, but that's their opinion. It will never become mainstream because it is an unattainable goal.

FFS. Some of the oversimplification on here is spectacular

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.