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View Booted Eagle's Profile Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 25 Jan 21 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

For a minute I thought this was going to be about De Boer

My first thoughts were Spencer and then FDB.

 


“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 25 Jan 21 12.18pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Not a bad shout now ! Just been sacked by Chelski .

 

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View steven_t92's Profile steven_t92 Flag Orpington 25 Jan 21 12.28pm Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

Would be happy with either Thomas Frank, Gerrard, Lampard or Howe in the summer. Typical Chelsea, sacked after Werner must've missed the penalty on purpose!

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 25 Jan 21 12.53pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Leaving aside the slightly dubious ideas that Lampard would join us, or be any use to us, there is another lesson to be learned here.

18 months ago Chelsea decided their previously successful playing staff had reached the end of the road. Out went their dogmatic, stubborn manager who everyone had had enough of, to be replaced by their hearts desire: A fresh faced young manager, idolised by the fans, with a commitment to youth and good football.

At first their (richly deserved) transfer ban meant the existing core of the team was supplemented by a sprinkling of good youth players. The football was better to watch and all the pundits lapped it up, but in fact their league position didn't improve at all, and where Sarri had won the Europa League, Lampard won nothing.

Then, this year the entire squad was overhauled by a raft of expensive new signings, all arriving at once into a team, club, league and country they have no experience of. The existing core of senior players who might have helped them integrate were replaced en masse, so the new players were starting from scratch on and off the pitch.

End result: Failed. Sacked.

For me this is less about the quality of any one individual player, or even of the manager, and more to do with the rate of change. A classic case of revolution failing when evolution might well have worked.

Something to think about with so many so keen for a mass cull at Palace this summer. Having a dozen players and the management team all out of contract at the same time is far more of a risk than an opportunity. Even top class players are unlikely to form into a team unit straight away, and two steps backwards is likely before any forward steps. For Chelsea that means missing the Champions League, for us it means goodbye premier league.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jan 21 12.58pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Leaving aside the slightly dubious ideas that Lampard would join us, or be any use to us, there is another lesson to be learned here.

18 months ago Chelsea decided their previously successful playing staff had reached the end of the road. Out went their dogmatic, stubborn manager who everyone had had enough of, to be replaced by their hearts desire: A fresh faced young manager, idolised by the fans, with a commitment to youth and good football.

At first their (richly deserved) transfer ban meant the existing core of the team was supplemented by a sprinkling of good youth players. The football was better to watch and all the pundits lapped it up, but in fact their league position didn't improve at all, and where Sarri had won the Europa League, Lampard won nothing.

Then, this year the entire squad was overhauled by a raft of expensive new signings, all arriving at once into a team, club, league and country they have no experience of. The existing core of senior players who might have helped them integrate were replaced en masse, so the new players were starting from scratch on and off the pitch.

End result: Failed. Sacked.

For me this is less about the quality of any one individual player, or even of the manager, and more to do with the rate of change. A classic case of revolution failing when evolution might well have worked.

Something to think about with so many so keen for a mass cull at Palace this summer. Having a dozen players and the management team all out of contract at the same time is far more of a risk than an opportunity. Even top class players are unlikely to form into a team unit straight away, and two steps backwards is likely before any forward steps. For Chelsea that means missing the Champions League, for us it means goodbye premier league.

I garland these comments with praise and concurrence.
I doff my hat.

 

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View Gribbo's Profile Gribbo Flag Bromley 25 Jan 21 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Gribbo Add Gribbo as a friend

Stays in London. Mid-table side. 6 months alongside Roy, sort out some younger players, take over in the the Summer. Move Roy upstairs or out to grass - could not bear another season with him in charge when the grounds open up again.

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 25 Jan 21 1.21pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

People wanting Lampard as our manager really need to wise up. Have a look at the players he has at his disposal. One of the most expensive squads in world football with some unbelievable talent and he has managed to get them playing like rag ball rovers.

I would rather 5 more years of Roy than Frank Lampard. Lampards career as a top level manager is over.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 25 Jan 21 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Leaving aside the slightly dubious ideas that Lampard would join us, or be any use to us, there is another lesson to be learned here.

18 months ago Chelsea decided their previously successful playing staff had reached the end of the road. Out went their dogmatic, stubborn manager who everyone had had enough of, to be replaced by their hearts desire: A fresh faced young manager, idolised by the fans, with a commitment to youth and good football.

At first their (richly deserved) transfer ban meant the existing core of the team was supplemented by a sprinkling of good youth players. The football was better to watch and all the pundits lapped it up, but in fact their league position didn't improve at all, and where Sarri had won the Europa League, Lampard won nothing.

Then, this year the entire squad was overhauled by a raft of expensive new signings, all arriving at once into a team, club, league and country they have no experience of. The existing core of senior players who might have helped them integrate were replaced en masse, so the new players were starting from scratch on and off the pitch.

End result: Failed. Sacked.

For me this is less about the quality of any one individual player, or even of the manager, and more to do with the rate of change. A classic case of revolution failing when evolution might well have worked.

Something to think about with so many so keen for a mass cull at Palace this summer. Having a dozen players and the management team all out of contract at the same time is far more of a risk than an opportunity. Even top class players are unlikely to form into a team unit straight away, and two steps backwards is likely before any forward steps. For Chelsea that means missing the Champions League, for us it means goodbye premier league.

They made us look pretty pony. In fact, worse than that.

He was never the right manager for them as his Derby tenure showed. He is not the right manager for us either. This is a lesson for Chelsea, but not necessarily for us. The players they have brought in are superb, Havertz and Chilwell could get in virtually any team in the world and it shows to me just how poor Lampard has been that he can’t get players of that ability to get results.

A mix of short contract renewals for core seniors and new blood is what is needed at Palace and I don’t think anyone will argue against that.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jan 21 1.32pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

They made us look pretty pony. In fact, worse than that.

He was never the right manager for them as his Derby tenure showed. He is not the right manager for us either. This is a lesson for Chelsea, but not necessarily for us. The players they have brought in are superb, Havertz and Chilwell could get in virtually any team in the world and it shows to me just how poor Lampard has been that he can’t get players of that ability to get results.

A mix of short contract renewals for core seniors and new blood is what is needed at Palace and I don’t think anyone will argue against that.

Chelsea signed 7 players in the last 'Window', and it could be argued that it does take players time to gel and we are only halfway through the season.
However there might have been In-House issues that are not known to supporters.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 25 Jan 21 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Chelsea signed 7 players in the last 'Window', and it could be argued that it does take players time to gel and we are only halfway through the season.
However there might have been In-House issues that are not known to supporters.

In that case you have to blame the owners for not having patience with the manager to get it right. But you may be right and it goes deeper than that and they now see the Derby defensive disaster Frank rather than Frank the superb ex player with tons of potential.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jan 21 1.49pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

In that case you have to blame the owners for not having patience with the manager to get it right. But you may be right and it goes deeper than that and they now see the Derby defensive disaster Frank rather than Frank the superb ex player with tons of potential.

I happen to believe that a club doesn't spend £200 Mill on 7 top quality players in pre-season and then dispenses with the services of the manager with only half the season gone based on results alone.

Perhaps being cerebrally challenged my mindset is gallivanting down the wrong avenue.

Edited by Willo (25 Jan 2021 1.50pm)

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 25 Jan 21 1.54pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I happen to believe that a club doesn't spend £200 Mill on 7 top quality players in pre-season and then dispenses with the services of the manager with only half the season gone based on results alone.

Perhaps being cerebrally challenged my mindset is gallivanting down the wrong avenue.

Edited by Willo (25 Jan 2021 1.50pm)

Posted on the other thread but relevant here, from The Athletic today. Certainly seems to be about more than just results.

• Lampard’s relationship with influential director Marina Granovskaia deteriorated
• Ralf Rangnick was offered interim job last week for four months but turned it down
• Calls were made in recent weeks to sound out Leipzig’s Julian • Nagelsmann before deal was struck with Thomas Tuchel
• Leicester game was tipping point and morning after spent trying to finalise successor
• Lampard shook players hands and thanked them for efforts under him after Leicester match
• Petr Cech involved in talking to new stars’ agents as form dipped
• Some players complained about lack of tactical instruction and not being spoken to for months
• Desire to re-sign Declan Rice annoyed his bosses
• The dressing room felt manager showed no empathy and were hurt by his public criticism
• Lampard would have walked out had he been working for any club other than Chelsea

"The problem was, the manager didn’t talk to the players — well only the ones he liked,” one such source explains. “I know of players who weren’t in the team that didn’t hear from him for many months. That’s very frustrating for a player because you don’t know what you have to do to do better, what the manager is thinking. It’s crazy."

"There was also a feeling that as form started to dip that the regular changes to the starting line-up prevented players from building a system and confidence. The squad, for example, could all see how talented Werner is but were horrified to see the confidence drain out of him as he was put in and out of the starting XI."

"Lampard was accused in some quarters of working players too hard, dating back to the preparations in June, ahead of last season getting back under way following the three-month postponement. Indeed, despite Chelsea’s fixture list this season regularly involving matches in midweek as well as the weekend, the 42-year-old was spotted still putting on intense drills. As one individual remarked: “There was a worry that not only were Chelsea players getting exhausted but it would take a toll with people getting more injuries.”

“From what I can tell, he felt it was like pissing against the wind. He experienced difficult relationships with a lot of people and wasn’t always sure who he could trust. He would have a conversation with one person but wasn’t sure what they’d be saying about him afterwards. He found the politics hard, a constant battle.”

“When things are going wrong at Chelsea, you will also find there are many people that will be happy to blame anything but their own area. It is something Lampard was trying to change, but it was going to take time. It is a deeply sat problem that has been there for many years."

"A facet against Lampard was the defensive record last season — they conceded 54 times, which was the worst record in the top half of the Premier League. Only three teams conceded more from set pieces (15). The additions of Chilwell, Silva and Mendy have seen an improvement in both departments despite the recent downturn."

 


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