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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 25 Jan 21 4.08pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Quite frankly he would be far too inexperienced,another Frank De Boer,big on playing reputation but lacking executable plans.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 25 Jan 21 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Leaving aside the slightly dubious ideas that Lampard would join us, or be any use to us, there is another lesson to be learned here.

18 months ago Chelsea decided their previously successful playing staff had reached the end of the road. Out went their dogmatic, stubborn manager who everyone had had enough of, to be replaced by their hearts desire: A fresh faced young manager, idolised by the fans, with a commitment to youth and good football.

At first their (richly deserved) transfer ban meant the existing core of the team was supplemented by a sprinkling of good youth players. The football was better to watch and all the pundits lapped it up, but in fact their league position didn't improve at all, and where Sarri had won the Europa League, Lampard won nothing.

Then, this year the entire squad was overhauled by a raft of expensive new signings, all arriving at once into a team, club, league and country they have no experience of. The existing core of senior players who might have helped them integrate were replaced en masse, so the new players were starting from scratch on and off the pitch.

End result: Failed. Sacked.

For me this is less about the quality of any one individual player, or even of the manager, and more to do with the rate of change. A classic case of revolution failing when evolution might well have worked.

Something to think about with so many so keen for a mass cull at Palace this summer. Having a dozen players and the management team all out of contract at the same time is far more of a risk than an opportunity. Even top class players are unlikely to form into a team unit straight away, and two steps backwards is likely before any forward steps. For Chelsea that means missing the Champions League, for us it means goodbye premier league.

Money demands instant rewards, thank the lord we haven't any.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 25 Jan 21 4.29pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by beak

Quite frankly he would be far too inexperienced,another Frank De Boer,big on playing reputation but lacking executable plans.

Absolutely perfect for us then.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 25 Jan 21 5.05pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

the Pep route to management is pretty much a one off, managers need to start lower down, learn about man management, get their mistakes out of the way, and after a couple of seasons or so they can graduate up the leagues. Nuno, Hasenhutl, Potter, Smith are all better coaches than Lampard (or Arteta) atm, three or four years down the line we may well be saying something different. Brendan Rogers went Watford, Reading (flopped) and Swansea b4 he went to Liverpool - there's a list that goes Gulllit, Vialli, Zola and a few more of big players who went straight in at the deep end and floundered. Lampard will do better than they did, but he needs to go back to somewhere like Derby first - not here (yet), thank you. If Roy does stand down this summer I'm sure Frank will be high on the list however - Parish might be swayed by the publicity his name would bring, make us a bit more fashionable.

 

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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 25 Jan 21 6.22pm Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend

If he takes the scouting and moneyball team with him we could do worse.....

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I was hoping for the bloke from Brentford?

 

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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 25 Jan 21 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Posted on the other thread but relevant here, from The Athletic today. Certainly seems to be about more than just results.

• Lampard’s relationship with influential director Marina Granovskaia deteriorated
• Ralf Rangnick was offered interim job last week for four months but turned it down
• Calls were made in recent weeks to sound out Leipzig’s Julian • Nagelsmann before deal was struck with Thomas Tuchel
• Leicester game was tipping point and morning after spent trying to finalise successor
• Lampard shook players hands and thanked them for efforts under him after Leicester match
• Petr Cech involved in talking to new stars’ agents as form dipped
• Some players complained about lack of tactical instruction and not being spoken to for months
• Desire to re-sign Declan Rice annoyed his bosses
• The dressing room felt manager showed no empathy and were hurt by his public criticism
• Lampard would have walked out had he been working for any club other than Chelsea

"The problem was, the manager didn’t talk to the players — well only the ones he liked,” one such source explains. “I know of players who weren’t in the team that didn’t hear from him for many months. That’s very frustrating for a player because you don’t know what you have to do to do better, what the manager is thinking. It’s crazy."

"There was also a feeling that as form started to dip that the regular changes to the starting line-up prevented players from building a system and confidence. The squad, for example, could all see how talented Werner is but were horrified to see the confidence drain out of him as he was put in and out of the starting XI."

"Lampard was accused in some quarters of working players too hard, dating back to the preparations in June, ahead of last season getting back under way following the three-month postponement. Indeed, despite Chelsea’s fixture list this season regularly involving matches in midweek as well as the weekend, the 42-year-old was spotted still putting on intense drills. As one individual remarked: “There was a worry that not only were Chelsea players getting exhausted but it would take a toll with people getting more injuries.”

“From what I can tell, he felt it was like pissing against the wind. He experienced difficult relationships with a lot of people and wasn’t always sure who he could trust. He would have a conversation with one person but wasn’t sure what they’d be saying about him afterwards. He found the politics hard, a constant battle.”

“When things are going wrong at Chelsea, you will also find there are many people that will be happy to blame anything but their own area. It is something Lampard was trying to change, but it was going to take time. It is a deeply sat problem that has been there for many years."

"A facet against Lampard was the defensive record last season — they conceded 54 times, which was the worst record in the top half of the Premier League. Only three teams conceded more from set pieces (15). The additions of Chilwell, Silva and Mendy have seen an improvement in both departments despite the recent downturn."

This sounds like a convenient and timely "leak" to justify the decision to me..!!

There are always two sides to every argument, so wouldn't pay it too much credence..!!

In terms of Frank Lampard IMO he is a winner and will probably make a very good Manager at some point in the future - but the Chelsea job came too soon for him and he got found wanting, due to lack of experience which is the inference of the above.

From our perspective if we were to go for any "Frank" I would rather see us go for Thomas Frank as our next Manager which is what I have been saying consistently since the summer.

COYP

 

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View Gribbo's Profile Gribbo Flag Bromley 25 Jan 21 8.06pm Send a Private Message to Gribbo Add Gribbo as a friend

More Royball crabbing side to side it is then. I have a worry Garth will be pitching up at Palace after failing miserably at the Euros in the summer. I do hope not.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Jan 21 8.42pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Gribbo

More Royball crabbing side to side it is then. I have a worry Garth will be pitching up at Palace after failing miserably at the Euros in the summer. I do hope not.

That’s a huge assumption.. I can’t see the euros going ahead at this rate

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View eagleheath's Profile eagleheath Flag Burgess Hill 25 Jan 21 10.55pm Send a Private Message to eagleheath Add eagleheath as a friend

Gareth Boregate - please never in a million years and whilst we are at it the other no hopers namely Mark Hughes and Chris Coleman.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jan 21 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by eagleheath

Gareth Boregate - please never in a million years and whilst we are at it the other no hopers namely Mark Hughes and Chris Coleman.

"Sparky" hasn't managed since Dec 18.
Chris Coleman hasn't managed since May 19 when he left his Chinese club.He last managed in this country in April 18.

 

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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 26 Jan 21 3.05am Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

If the rumours about how poor his man management are true then I’d definitely not want him here.

He’s done f*ck all this season after a massive investment. Not ready for another job yet imo.

I’d much prefer Stevie G, what he has done in Scotland is a lot more impressive on a smaller budget and they are going to win the league at a canter in a league that is usually a 1 horse race.

Edited by coulsdoneagle (26 Jan 2021 3.06am)

 

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View thai-eagle's Profile thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 26 Jan 21 9.03am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

If we should go for one of the young and upcoming ones, Steven Gerrard for me! Frank L. not up to it - not yet, anyway.

 

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