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 mezzer  Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 26 Jan 21 12.01pm |
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This surprised me from the BBC - goes against the White Privilege argument somewhat (in this country, at least). Who'd have thought....: Figures from the Department for Education last year reported that "male white British free school meal pupils are the least likely of all the main ethnic groups to progress to higher education". Across all pupils eligible for free meals 26% went on to university by the age of 19, but for white pupils on free meals the figure was 16% - and only 13% for boys. In comparison, 59% of youngsters from black African families on free meals went to university and 32% of black Caribbean youngsters eligible for free meals. Although they have a lower entry rate, white students are by far the biggest group, representing more than 70% of students in England. In 2019, across all groups, the proportion of people going to university by the age of 30 crossed 50% for the first time.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 21 1.19pm |
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Yup this is a well known problem I have a friend who is a social anthropologist and has specialised in this area and even written books about it. She has also lived it and brought her kids up on an inner city council estate with the usual drugs and crime so she has a realistic view. Even though she is a lefty she blames the Labour party (Blair) for failing white working class people (I assume she means she means that the Tories don't care but Labour should). When Blair was in power she was invited to a meeting at no 10 to discuss the problem (he wasn't present, Baroness somebody or other chaired). New Labour was all about listening which was BS. The rest of the room delighted to be their sucked up to the politicians. The Baroness' great idea was to teach white working class kids poetry as if that will stop knife crime When it came to her turn she spoke the truth as she saw it, it didn't go down well and she was never invited back whist the arse lickers were. Slightly off topic she was interviewed by the guardian a few years back along the same lines as an expert on the topic. It was never used the Guardian instead chose to listen to the wisdom of of a Z list celebrity on the same topic I kid you not. It may have been some like Stacy Dooley I don't remember. Anyway the point is they know what the problems are it is whether the politicians are prepared to do anything about it.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jan 21 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yup this is a well known problem I have a friend who is a social anthropologist and has specialised in this area and even written books about it. She has also lived it and brought her kids up on an inner city council estate with the usual drugs and crime so she has a realistic view. Even though she is a lefty she blames the Labour party (Blair) for failing white working class people (I assume she means she means that the Tories don't care but Labour should). When Blair was in power she was invited to a meeting at no 10 to discuss the problem (he wasn't present, Baroness somebody or other chaired). New Labour was all about listening which was BS. The rest of the room delighted to be their sucked up to the politicians. The Baroness' great idea was to teach white working class kids poetry as if that will stop knife crime When it came to her turn she spoke the truth as she saw it, it didn't go down well and she was never invited back whist the arse lickers were. Slightly off topic she was interviewed by the guardian a few years back along the same lines as an expert on the topic. It was never used the Guardian instead chose to listen to the wisdom of of a Z list celebrity on the same topic I kid you not. It may have been some like Stacy Dooley I don't remember. Anyway the point is they know what the problems are it is whether the politicians are prepared to do anything about it. You see it all the time. People who live in a bubble with others who think like them can never get their heads around different worlds. They either romanticize them or believe they are just like them but in difficult circumstances. This does happen but it's the minority. They don't get it and if you trouble them with a reality that differs from their sensibilities you get the old, 'see no evil, hear no evil' game. They don't really want to know, they just want to be seen in what they consider the right way in their own circles.
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Teddy Eagle Online  26 Jan 21 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You see it all the time. People who live in a bubble with others who think like them can never get their heads around different worlds. They either romanticize them or believe they are just like them but in difficult circumstances. This does happen but it's the minority. They don't get it and if you trouble them with a reality that differs from their sensibilities you get the old, 'see no evil, hear no evil' game. They don't really want to know, they just want to be seen in what they consider the right way in their own circles. Better leave that game out of it Stirling
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| Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 21 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You see it all the time. People who live in a bubble with others who think like them can never get their heads around different worlds. They either romanticize them or believe they are just like them but in difficult circumstances. This does happen but it's the minority. They don't get it and if you trouble them with a reality that differs from their sensibilities you get the old, 'see no evil, hear no evil' game. They don't really want to know, they just want to be seen in what they consider the right way in their own circles. Exactly my friend was not impressed with the Baroness. Poor kids need self belief, that unlike their parents they can achieve greater things. She spent a year in a poor underachieving school. The deputy head was the only good thing the Head was weak and many of the teachers going through the motions. One thing she noticed in a "good" home kids are taught structure early on e.g. time for bed or now we sit down to eat etc. Many of the poor families she met don't have that discipline so when the kid starts school he doesn't understand that the school day has a structure and he can't play when he feels like it. This lack of early learning then impacts the rest of their school life. They need male role models and some "can do attitude" I know this is easier said than done but stop telling them to expect failure and that they are victims, downtrodden and so on. All of this is common sense of course.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jan 21 3.42pm |
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Imagine my shock.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jan 21 3.55pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly my friend was not impressed with the Baroness. Poor kids need self belief, that unlike their parents they can achieve greater things. She spent a year in a poor underachieving school. The deputy head was the only good thing the Head was weak and many of the teachers going through the motions. One thing she noticed in a "good" home kids are taught structure early on e.g. time for bed or now we sit down to eat etc. Many of the poor families she met don't have that discipline so when the kid starts school he doesn't understand that the school day has a structure and he can't play when he feels like it. This lack of early learning then impacts the rest of their school life. They need male role models and some "can do attitude" I know this is easier said than done but stop telling them to expect failure and that they are victims, downtrodden and so on. All of this is common sense of course.
For them to work the school system would have to have considerably more power and backing than it has, and would also need the right type of teachers to carry it out. Unfortunately the system moved towards taking power away from schools and.....if I'm honest, I wouldn't want the typical teacher that exists now having that power anyway.....hashtag not all. In terms of turning out the working classes fit for self sufficiency the state education system was always hamstrung...but it wasn't always its own fault. However, as its politics went to the left it became little more than a holding pen with ever decreasing returns for the last fifty years. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jan 2021 3.56pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 26 Jan 21 3.59pm |
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It is those making the decision that have the problem. Why would anyone consider that racist?
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 26 Jan 21 4.01pm |
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"In 2013 a tribunal ruled that ‘no reasonable person’ would interpret the use of the three wise monkeys image in a union dispute as ‘racist’." The most racist bit of this are the "academics" who see racism in monkeys, even though they are, er, monkeys. And the tribunal in 2013 agreed. They should be sacked.
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BlueJay  UK 26 Jan 21 4.10pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
"In 2013 a tribunal ruled that ‘no reasonable person’ would interpret the use of the three wise monkeys image in a union dispute as ‘racist’." The most racist bit of this are the "academics" who see racism in monkeys, even though they are, er, monkeys. And the tribunal in 2013 agreed. They should be sacked. I had similar thoughts. While I can understand upset where actual racial tropes are intentionally used, to 'assume' outrage on behalf of others at something that has zero racial connotations whatsoever is bonkers. Ironically it seeks to racially compare people to monkeys, so they're the ones being racist regardless of their intention. OTT. Those is seeks to defend would most likely be as perplexed as everyone else.
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| The Dolphin 26 Jan 21 5.24pm |
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Without wishing to be rude - is this a case of positive discrimination at work?
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| cryrst The garden of England 26 Jan 21 5.40pm |
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