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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 09 Feb 21 8.24pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

What’s our options steely? We have an unelectable Labour Party, an incompetent Conservative Party and a bunch of rag tag muffins you wouldn’t let run the local charity shop. For once I am totally with you, but the options are frankly appalling.

Not a bright spot on the horizon I'm afraid.

The lack of any ideas, opposition is depressing.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 09 Feb 21 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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Interesting article from the BMJ.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 09 Feb 21 9.38pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

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Interesting article from the BMJ.

Science is rarely absolute, it rarely applies to every setting or every population, it doesnt make sense to slavishly follow science and evidence (quote)
Fits a few threads on here

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 09 Feb 21 10.36pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Science is rarely absolute, it rarely applies to every setting or every population, it doesnt make sense to slavishly follow science and evidence (quote)
Fits a few threads on here

Having read the article that particular para felt at odds with the general points that were being made about the politicisation and suppression of science (perfectly valid) not just in this case but in numerous historical examples.

‘It doesn’t make sense to slavishly follow science and evidence’ is a bit of a weird thing to say considering the theme of the article is ‘science is being manipulated and suppressed’. Also it’s just generally odd if you know what the definition of evidence is.

The point that I think they’re trying to make there is take pharma manufacturers claims with a pinch of salt. Anyone who has read Ben Goldacre will nod in agreement at that.

They’re right that science is rarely absolute - that’s the point of it, but ultimately what’s the alternative - guesswork? I know what I’d rather choose to slavishly follow in the event of a pandemic out of:

Results from a set of credibly run scientific studies albeit run in a shorter timeframe with lower numbers of participants than usual (due to the time urgency of the situation)

A populist armchair scientist on reddit - or whatever the alternative to science and evidence is

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Not a bright spot on the horizon I'm afraid.

The lack of any ideas, opposition is depressing.

Labour and the Tories are very close in the polls and Starmer has done well to reconstruct after the debacle of the Corbyn years.

 


Bring back Brolin

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View Runningman's Profile Runningman Flag Keston 10 Feb 21 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Runningman Add Runningman as a friend

If Starmer is Captain hindsight, then Ed Davey is his batman.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Feb 21 5.36pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Runningman

If Starmer is Captain hindsight, then Ed Davey is his batman.

He's up front, takes a big wage and doesn't score a lot of goals. Not sure about the offsides.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Runningman's Profile Runningman Flag Keston 10 Feb 21 5.41pm Send a Private Message to Runningman Add Runningman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

He's up front, takes a big wage and doesn't score a lot of goals. Not sure about the offsides.

Lol

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 10 Feb 21 6.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Runningman

If Starmer is Captain hindsight, then Ed Davey is his batman.

More likely his battyman.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Feb 21 7.33pm

Feeling better ‘in 2 hours’: COVID drug for critically ill starts Phase 3 trials - [Link]

Quote Experimental Israeli-made drug Allocetra, used to treat serious and critical COVID-19 cases, has completed Phase 2 trials successfully.

Of 20 seriously ill patients treated with the drug so far, 90% recovered, Israel’s Channel 13 news reported Tuesday.

Allocetra treats the over-response of the immune system and inflammatory response that is sometimes seen in COVID-19 patients, called a cytokine storm. The phenomenon can cause severe immune system attacks on the body’s own organs, leading to organ failure and sometimes death.

One recovered patient, 49-year-old building inspector Yair Tayeb, spoke on his release from the hospital three days after getting the drug.

“I couldn’t breathe, I could barely speak. [I was in] very very serious condition,” Tayeb said. “I went through an experience you can’t put into words.”

Within two hours of receiving the drug, he said, he felt a change. “They gave me the drug. Suddenly after two hours I started feeling something strange in my body. I stopped coughing, my breathing started to come back, I was feeling better. I stopped sweating. I couldn’t believe it. I was afraid to tell people I was okay, I was so excited.”

Prof. Dror Mevorach, head of one of Hadassah’s coronavirus wards and chief scientific and medical officer at Enlivex, who developed the treatment, told Channel 13: “It is useful for serious and critical patients because it can prevent the need to ventilate them, and that’s the major goal. Because the moment you go into ventilation, the entire situation changes, complications rise, and it’s more difficult to treat.”

The drug is now entering Phase 3 trials and will be given to over 100 people.

“Two days ago I couldn’t stand on my legs,” Tayeb said as he left the hospital. “Look at me now, going home.”

A second Israeli COVID-19 drug, developed at a Tel Aviv hospital, is also making waves. Tel Aviv’s Ichilov Medical Center claimed a “huge breakthrough” on Friday, saying that Prof. Nadir Arber’s EXO-CD24 inhaled medicine had been administered to 30 patients whose conditions were moderate or worse, and all 30 recovered — 29 of them within three to five days.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meeting with Prof. Nadir Arber in Jerusalem, on February 8, 2021. (Amos Ben-Gershom/Israeli Government Press Office)

On Monday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu invited Arber to his office and asked him about the “miracle drug.” During the briefing, Netanyahu said: “If this succeeds, it will be huge, simply huge. This is of global significance.”

Sounds like the Israelis are excelling themselves on the covid front right now. Of course until Stage 3 data emerges there's nothing to get too excited about, but the growing number of emerging treatments is heartening.

 

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Does anyone know the strength of evidence for asymptomatic spread (spread without symptoms) for this virus?

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2021 7.04am)

 


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There are now “many thousands” of variants circulating.

 

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