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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 21 11.40pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Not sure about Cookie. He drinks a lot of Guinness though and is a top bloke at parties so on that basis alone I’ll back him but not convinced about his ability to manage at top level.

In England he has managed Fulham,Coventry and Sunderland and at each of those clubs his teams lost more games than they won but of course there could have been extenuating circumstances.

In our last 12 seasons, only in 1 of them have we won more games than we lost and that was when we were promoted from the Championship.


Edited by Willo (11 Feb 2021 11.44pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Feb 21 6.08am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Hodgson , clearly said at the end of his first season in charge that if the club wanted to progress they would need to improve the playing staff. They haven’t and the progress is hard to see. It would seem he doesn’t get what he really needs or what he thinks the club needs.
Maybe Hodgson in his last years of management has been to loyal. After all this is almost certainly his last management job. And his boyhood club at that.
And quiet honestly to reliant on the effect Wilf, has on our results. But then again you work with what you have, and what we have are limited when Wilf isnt there.
Hodgson supplies the tactics, its players that fail to sometimes do the basics well on the pitch.

For 4.5m I think loyalty would be in my mind.


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jeeagles Flag 12 Feb 21 7.35am

Originally posted by Willo

In England he has managed Fulham,Coventry and Sunderland and at each of those clubs his teams lost more games than they won but of course there could have been extenuating circumstances.

In our last 12 seasons, only in 1 of them have we won more games than we lost and that was when we were promoted from the Championship.


Edited by Willo (11 Feb 2021 11.44pm)

Sunderland and Coventry were pretty toxic. At Wales he managed a team with one star player and got the best out of them. Could be similar to here.

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 12 Feb 21 8.36am Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Just thinking was all the effort and heartache worth it to get into the premiership to watch this uninspiring football .Would go as far to say its getting close to the Peter Taylor days .Manager and team need refreshing.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Feb 21 9.08am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by AERO

Just thinking was all the effort and heartache worth it to get into the premiership to watch this uninspiring football .Would go as far to say its getting close to the Peter Taylor days .Manager and team need refreshing.

The Travis song ‘Driftwood’ comes to mind thinking back on that time.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 12 Feb 21 9.22am Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

The answer is nothing.

You can't compare those jobs with the one at Palace

out of interest why not? His job is to manage and get the best out of his players. The Liverpool and England job proved he couldn't do it with quality players. So why should we expect that if we invested more in the first team he would do any better with them?

 

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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 12 Feb 21 9.31am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

What would we do without this thread

Its funny because the Roy out camp were/are perceived to be loonies but to me some of the Roy in lot have gone full on cuckoo. Accepting absolutely no rationale or stats around Roys tenure. The comments that keep getting peddled out of its not Roy its the players is baffling. Roys done a job which is commended. No-body is denying Roy has kept Palace in the PL during his reign. Many fans want more, a new direction, a new playing culture after 8 years in the PL it all feels stale. . To me its very easy to see that palace does not feel a happy place at the moment because of all the different elements. Timing wise, I believe the summer is the perfect time to move on with a new broom.

Any new Manager is not going to fix all the other issues we have at Palace, but what they will be able to affect are the players he will be working with day to day. Its likely there will be new additions next season giving the new manager the opportunity to instil his own ethos. Its a risk but so's everything and its not a reason to not change. Roy is coming across a little defeated to me of late, I think hes either had enough himself of knows this will be his last season. Roys a complete gentleman and I will be very grateful for his time with us but all good things come to an end. Palace is the longest he has ever stayed at a club I believe so weve been good to each other.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 12 Feb 21 9.41am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

It's funny, but in my head I thought Coleman was largely a flop as a manager, but actually his record doesn't read that badly. He does seem to have had issues with boards at clubs though, which could possibly be a hair-trigger issue given our tight finances, and he does seem to have a fiery temper.

On the plus side we might get more women at the games if he got the job! It would also tie in with Parish's stated desire to have people on board who have connections with either the club or the area. Maybe he could bring Eric Young on as intimidation coach (I checked and apparently he is now an accountant at Heathrow...I wonder if he still wears the headband to work?).

I'm not advocating Cookie btw, I'm just discussing it hypothetically.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 12 Feb 21 10.00am Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

For some reason, when watching Coleman and Howe as pundits recently I got the feeling they'd both be quiet keen on the Palace job.

Purely conjecture, but if Coleman ever was to get the job, I wonder if he'd bring Kit Symonds back with him.

Didnt Coleman, come after Hodgson ,at Fulham? That didn’t end up so well after a few struggling seasons.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 12 Feb 21 10.05am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I agree that Hodgson is rather being left off the hook with the excuse that he would employ an entirely different approach with younger/ fitter players.
There was a debate on Sky on Monday about the difference in approach between Hodgson and Bielsa.
It was stated that Hodgson has based his whole career on defensive shape, two banks of four, no gaps for opposition to exploit and unwillingness to commit too many players forward.
Bielsa on the other hand builds his teams to attack , going man for man at the back leaving one spare man for cover.
It was acknowledged that both systems have merit, but surprisingly have left the teams with very similar defensive stats this season despite our over reliance on defence in comparison to Leeds.

My point is that Hodgson managed Bielsa’s Leeds would be likely to still employ the tactics he has used his whole career. He’s not one for change.
People can point to the spell when RLC and Cabaye played when we demonstrated good spells, but this was still essentially a counter attacking team effective in transition.
I thing for example that the excellent Raphinha would struggle to flourish in a Hodgson team.
And Luka is unlikely to feature in a Bielsa team where mobility and forward passing are key attributes.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 10.19am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


Didnt Coleman, come after Hodgson ,at Fulham? That didn’t end up so well after a few struggling seasons.

Coleman succeeded Tigana and when Coleman was removed from his duties Sanchez was appointed.
Hodgson was appointed a few months after Coleman departed.
Hodgson inherited a few of Coleman's signings including Ian Pearce and Jimmy Bullard.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 10.55am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

What would we do without this thread

Its funny because the Roy out camp were/are perceived to be loonies but to me some of the Roy in lot have gone full on cuckoo. Accepting absolutely no rationale or stats around Roys tenure. The comments that keep getting peddled out of its not Roy its the players is baffling. Roys done a job which is commended. No-body is denying Roy has kept Palace in the PL during his reign. Many fans want more, a new direction, a new playing culture after 8 years in the PL it all feels stale. . To me its very easy to see that palace does not feel a happy place at the moment because of all the different elements. Timing wise, I believe the summer is the perfect time to move on with a new broom.

Any new Manager is not going to fix all the other issues we have at Palace, but what they will be able to affect are the players he will be working with day to day. Its likely there will be new additions next season giving the new manager the opportunity to instil his own ethos. Its a risk but so's everything and its not a reason to not change. Roy is coming across a little defeated to me of late, I think hes either had enough himself of knows this will be his last season. Roys a complete gentleman and I will be very grateful for his time with us but all good things come to an end. Palace is the longest he has ever stayed at a club I believe so weve been good to each other.

It would appear that many of our supporters are clamouring for change,for a more attractive brand of football,but change on the managerial 'Throne' comes with risk and the 'Board' with commercial interests consider the 'Bigger picture'.

When an experienced manager has provided PL security season on season, and of course many outside the club assert he guarantees survival, then why change?

Leeds have only just returned to the PL having last played there in 2003-04, Nottm Forest's last season in the PL was 1998-99.One can spend a long time outside the top division with empty seats very much in evidence!

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