Why did it need a black man to tell what is now seen as the truth and be agreed with by the very people who have castigated whites for saying the same. When fans booed could it have been for this very reason. They thought It had lost the message,but no they are apparently all racists. Many white footballers,actors or generally famous people probably felt the same but have been afraid to say because of the backlash. Now wilfs said it its correct. Equality my left one!
Lost jobs, families and complete lives to tick a f***ing box of righteousness.
Good and bad in every part of the spectrum and I would say good outways the bad by an infinite amount.

I'm not sure why anyone needs to be proud of their skin colour. Surely pride comes from achievement. Wilf has every reason to be proud of himself, but I have never personally felt the need to be proud of my skin colour since I had no choice in it.
I understand that some are made to feel bad about their appearance or demographic and that can apply to being fat, bald, ugly, short, ginger, spotty, female, male Irish, gay, old, young etc.
Human nature is not always pretty, and we are all subject to its darker side on occasion.

I think you might have coined a new phrase that will be in the Oxford English Dictionary this time next year:

Blacklash

It's interesting because Wilfs reason for not wanting to take a knee appears to be exactly the same as everyone who was brandished "far right" opposing it.

It's almost like a black guy who grew up in the slums of South London and has been on the end of relentless racist abuse recognises this global show of "solidarity" for the token-gesture symbolism it really is.

I attended the funerals of a couple of black kids growing up who died in pools of their own blood after being stabbed to death & this is something that has gone on for many, many years. Don't recall footballers taking the knee over it - ever.

The entire thing is shallow & insulting. And serves as little more than a public display of self righteousness without actually committing to anything meaningful.

Wilf is right.

So you're splitting people into racial groups (as 'black lives matters' does to an extent) but going well beyond that and saying that 'all that matters' in life is making good genetic procreation choices within your own racial group (because that is how 'you are defined')? But that in doing so you're not 'against other groups'.

This implies you believe that procreating with a different race is a very negative thing and should be avoided. So you're against people taking the knee (which is fair enough), but are so far beyond that, you cannot stand the idea of procreation between races? How do you view those around you with mixed race families? What do you think they would feel about what you're saying about their families? You appear to be painting these people as some kind of tribeless genetic missteps, rather than people of family and dignity no different from you or me.

I prefer Hrolfs take. There's more than genes and luck. Work ethic, determination, it all factors in. Where the will is there all of these things can be worked on massively, in much the same way that a person can physically transform. In football for instance it's unlikely that the 'potentially' best footballer has ever even kicked a ball professionally. And such achievement clearly isn't race specific anyway. Of course genes are a factor in aspects of life but it's limiting and inaccurate to imagine that's the full picture. It should be potential (realised or wasted) that we view in others, not an analysis or assumptions of their genetic code. It appears rather egotistical to imagine that your own genes will convey more ability to achieve or excel than anyone elses anyway. It may well be that the opposite is true and you're latching onto an idea of what you feel you represent rather than a reality.

Edited by BlueJay (21 Feb 2021 2.23pm)