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est1905 02 Mar 21 5.47pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle In 18 months we will be in the Championship with a 10 point deduction after going into administration. The Americans will not support now let alone if we are outside the Prem... Tripe, The Americans loaned the club money to see us through the pandemic. They have also put far more in than Parish has ever done. Parish got a quarter of the club (and ground) for a fraction of what he'd have paid if it wasn't in administration, his share of the investment while outside the Prem was 100k a year. Once we were promoted not only has he not put a penny in but he is now drawing a salary. I dont really have an opinion on the rights and wrongs of that nor do I care but dont spout rubbish that the Americans dont support the club. Financially speaking the Americans have supported the club more than Parish ever did!
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est1905

02 Mar 21 5.47pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

In 18 months we will be in the Championship with a 10 point deduction after going into administration.

The Americans will not support now let alone if we are outside the Prem...

Tripe,
The Americans loaned the club money to see us through the pandemic. They have also put far more in than Parish has ever done.
Parish got a quarter of the club (and ground) for a fraction of what he'd have paid if it wasn't in administration, his share of the investment while outside the Prem was 100k a year. Once we were promoted not only has he not put a penny in but he is now drawing a salary. I dont really have an opinion on the rights and wrongs of that nor do I care but dont spout rubbish that the Americans dont support the club. Financially speaking the Americans have supported the club more than Parish ever did!

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AERO 02 Mar 21 5.49pm
Stand to be corrected but thought the main reason for American investment was for ground improvements .
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AERO

02 Mar 21 5.49pm

Stand to be corrected but thought the main reason for American investment was for ground improvements .

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spartakev2 Anerley 02 Mar 21 6.14pm
Originally posted by Putitout This is the point that the Roy, out, people conveniently overlook .when he has had the players able to carry it off he doesn�t send sides out to not get at the opposition at every opportunity. The fact is if we have just two or three key players missing at any one time our attacking options are drastically reduced. There is little doubt we need more out of what�s available in respect of attacking play. It�s never not asked for or not wanted. From a managerial point of view it�s lucky he can get a good effort rate out of them most times. And they know how not to lose to often. The point that the roy in people conveniently overlook, is that when you have Benteke, ayew, Townsend,eze, and PVA on the pitch, at home, against a team 3rd from bottom, not having a shot on target the whole game, is just not acceptable. Neither is leaving your latest signing who scored a wonder goal last game on the bench the whole game, because benteke defends better.
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Anerley 02 Mar 21 6.14pm

Originally posted by Putitout

This is the point that the Roy, out, people conveniently overlook .when he has had the players able to carry it off he doesn�t send sides out to not get at the opposition at every opportunity.
The fact is if we have just two or three key players missing at any one time our attacking options are drastically reduced. There is little doubt we need more out of what�s available in respect of attacking play. It�s never not asked for or not wanted.
From a managerial point of view it�s lucky he can get a good effort rate out of them most times. And they know how not to lose to often.

The point that the roy in people conveniently overlook, is that when you have Benteke, ayew, Townsend,eze, and PVA on the pitch, at home, against a team 3rd from bottom, not having a shot on target the whole game, is just not acceptable. Neither is leaving your latest signing who scored a wonder goal last game on the bench the whole game, because benteke defends better.

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Putitout Oxford 02 Mar 21 6.27pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 The point that the roy in people conveniently overlook, is that when you have Benteke, ayew, Townsend,eze, and PVA on the pitch, at home, against a team 3rd from bottom, not having a shot on target the whole game, is just not acceptable. Neither is leaving your latest signing who scored a wonder goal last game on the bench the whole game, because benteke defends better. If you want to ignore that it�s the players that took on Fulham�s players, and that players can not always do what�s needed in any game. Then I suppose you are only left with having a go at the manager who can only adapt what they are best at if they are going to get any sort of result out of any game. There was no point in bringing Mateta, on if the rest of the side were not doing enough to help his game. So it follows if he wasn�t going to help their game there wasn�t a change to make.
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Oxford 02 Mar 21 6.27pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

If you want to ignore that it�s the players that took on Fulham�s players, and that players can not always do what�s needed in any game. Then I suppose you are only left with having a go at the manager who can only adapt what they are best at if they are going to get any sort of result out of any game.
There was no point in bringing Mateta, on if the rest of the side were not doing enough to help his game. So it follows if he wasn�t going to help their game there wasn�t a change to make.

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 02 Mar 21 6.41pm
Originally posted by est1905 Tripe, The Americans loaned the club money to see us through the pandemic. They have also put far more in than Parish has ever done. Parish got a quarter of the club (and ground) for a fraction of what he'd have paid if it wasn't in administration, his share of the investment while outside the Prem was 100k a year. Once we were promoted not only has he not put a penny in but he is now drawing a salary. I dont really have an opinion on the rights and wrongs of that nor do I care but dont spout rubbish that the Americans dont support the club. Financially speaking the Americans have supported the club more than Parish ever did! 100% agree I was going to post something like this myself you beat me to it. SP has taken way more out compared to what he ever put in now some will say regarding salary he worked for that but lets not forget he has other sub companies linked to Palace which are also taking out millions. This is the thing so many blind fans they see what they want to see and discard everything else. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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US/Thailand/UK 02 Mar 21 6.41pm

Originally posted by est1905

100% agree I was going to post something like this myself you beat me to it.

SP has taken way more out compared to what he ever put in now some will say regarding salary he worked for that but lets not forget he has other sub companies linked to Palace which are also taking out millions.

This is the thing so many blind fans they see what they want to see and discard everything else.

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spartakev2 Anerley 02 Mar 21 6.42pm
Originally posted by Putitout If you want to ignore that it�s the players that took on Fulham�s players, and that players can not always do what�s needed in any game. Then I suppose you are only left with having a go at the manager who can only adapt what they are best at if they are going to get any sort of result out of any game. There was no point in bringing Mateta, on if the rest of the side were not doing enough to help his game. So it follows if he wasn�t going to help their game there wasn�t a change to make. What a load of cobblers
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spartakev2

Anerley 02 Mar 21 6.42pm

Originally posted by Putitout

What a load of cobblers

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Mar 21 7.12pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild That's the frustrating part as it shows we are capable of passing our way through an opposing team. We have some very skilful players in Eze, Jairo, Ayew, and most notably Wilf, while players like PvA and Schlupp are very adept at finding space in behind defences; however, as you say, these brief glimpses are becoming less frequent as time goes by. Having watched Gallagher a few times recently I'm becoming increasingly convinced we should move for him. He looks like a young McArthur, with speed, tenacity and a willingness to work hard at both ends of the pitch. Doesn't really look suited to a top 6 club as he's more of a scrapper, but definitely looks like a player who would fit in with us. Absolutely and such a shame we took that last minute decision to dump him for Batshuayi. He could have made a big difference in our midfield. I hope we haven't lost the opportunity to get him next season. I fear we might have since we've hardly played Batshuayi this season (not that he's covered himself with glory when he has played). I'm not sure how Chelsea will react to his lack of game time. They were probably hoping we'd take him off their hands at the end of this season.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Mar 21 7.12pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

That's the frustrating part as it shows we are capable of passing our way through an opposing team. We have some very skilful players in Eze, Jairo, Ayew, and most notably Wilf, while players like PvA and Schlupp are very adept at finding space in behind defences; however, as you say, these brief glimpses are becoming less frequent as time goes by.

Having watched Gallagher a few times recently I'm becoming increasingly convinced we should move for him. He looks like a young McArthur, with speed, tenacity and a willingness to work hard at both ends of the pitch. Doesn't really look suited to a top 6 club as he's more of a scrapper, but definitely looks like a player who would fit in with us.

Absolutely and such a shame we took that last minute decision to dump him for Batshuayi. He could have made a big difference in our midfield. I hope we haven't lost the opportunity to get him next season. I fear we might have since we've hardly played Batshuayi this season (not that he's covered himself with glory when he has played). I'm not sure how Chelsea will react to his lack of game time. They were probably hoping we'd take him off their hands at the end of this season.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Mar 21 7.21pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 What a load of cobblers Sorry but I'm with Putitout on this one and I'm neither a Roy In or Roy Out person. Our players on the pitch weren't able to cope with the Fulham press . There weren't any midfielders on our bench who were likely to change that and Mateta needs service to feet to do his best work. If he wasn't going to get, why bring him on? With Sclupp back and Wilf nearly back, things will change.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Mar 21 7.21pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

What a load of cobblers

Sorry but I'm with Putitout on this one and I'm neither a Roy In or Roy Out person. Our players on the pitch weren't able to cope with the Fulham press . There weren't any midfielders on our bench who were likely to change that and Mateta needs service to feet to do his best work. If he wasn't going to get, why bring him on? With Sclupp back and Wilf nearly back, things will change.

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spartakev2 Anerley 02 Mar 21 9.16pm
Originally posted by doombear Sorry but I'm with Putitout on this one and I'm neither a Roy In or Roy Out person. Our players on the pitch weren't able to cope with the Fulham press . There weren't any midfielders on our bench who were likely to change that and Mateta needs service to feet to do his best work. If he wasn't going to get, why bring him on? With Sclupp back and Wilf nearly back, things will change. To say mateta wouldn't get the service he needs so don't bring him on is ridiculous. He had one chance against Brighton and scored a great goal. Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same against Fulham. At 0-0 surely worth a chance.
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Anerley 02 Mar 21 9.16pm

Originally posted by doombear

To say mateta wouldn't get the service he needs so don't bring him on is ridiculous. He had one chance against Brighton and scored a great goal. Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same against Fulham. At 0-0 surely worth a chance.

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Den1923 04 Mar 21 2.54pm
Originally posted by est1905 Tripe, The Americans loaned the club money to see us through the pandemic. They have also put far more in than Parish has ever done. Parish got a quarter of the club (and ground) for a fraction of what he'd have paid if it wasn't in administration, his share of the investment while outside the Prem was 100k a year. Once we were promoted not only has he not put a penny in but he is now drawing a salary. I dont really have an opinion on the rights and wrongs of that nor do I care but dont spout rubbish that the Americans dont support the club. Financially speaking the Americans have supported the club more than Parish ever did! [Link] The Americans clearly want to sell the club and therefore are unlikely to want to invest anymore for the future. Clearly if the article is correct then their original investment was for improvements to the ground and was supposedly ring fenced for that purpose. The bank charge on the stadium was paid off partly in 2015 and finally in 2018 through a separate holding company owned jointly by Parish and the Americans. The club has invested little in players since Roy arrived and their transfer dealings ins and outs is in profit as Roy said yesterday in his post match interview. Why the club have allowed circa 12 key players contracts to run down without investing in our future is a mystery, clearly this summer providing we survive which seems more likely now but as yet not guaranteed then a big shift in direction has to happen and they last time that happened under FdV we all experience had a glimpse of what could happen.
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04 Mar 21 2.54pm

Originally posted by est1905

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The Americans clearly want to sell the club and therefore are unlikely to want to invest anymore for the future. Clearly if the article is correct then their original investment was for improvements to the ground and was supposedly ring fenced for that purpose. The bank charge on the stadium was paid off partly in 2015 and finally in 2018 through a separate holding company owned jointly by Parish and the Americans. The club has invested little in players since Roy arrived and their transfer dealings ins and outs is in profit as Roy said yesterday in his post match interview. Why the club have allowed circa 12 key players contracts to run down without investing in our future is a mystery, clearly this summer providing we survive which seems more likely now but as yet not guaranteed then a big shift in direction has to happen and they last time that happened under FdV we all experience had a glimpse of what could happen.

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palace99 New Mills 04 Mar 21 4.31pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Forget the midfield, the squad containing Cabaye & Loftus Cheek was different class to what we have now. Primarily because it was a lot younger & has had very limited investment since then. This is evidenced in the performances under Roy in his first season at the club which were, at times, very good & disprove the notion that he is just another Big Sam or Pulis. Cabaye was in his last season with us when we signed RLC, he was on his last legs and was subbed at c65 minutes almost every game that season. In that midfield was also Luka and Jimmy Mac, neither of whom are blessed with great speed. RLC was played out of position too on the left to keep a solid 442 as we know Roy likes this. I don't think it's as simple as saying our midfield is a few years older, although that is a factor. The biggest factor appears to be the lack of movement - how often do we have promising possession in the opposition half and then pass back into our own half and eventually pass back to the keeper? Then there is the speed - a one paced build up is so much easier to defend against as Man U demonstrated yesterday. I thought we handled them quite well, partly as their build up play was so slow. RLC if fit would be a great addition and Gallagher would add energy. However, if we do not pass and move and remain one paced nothing will change.
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New Mills 04 Mar 21 4.31pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Forget the midfield, the squad containing Cabaye & Loftus Cheek was different class to what we have now. Primarily because it was a lot younger & has had very limited investment since then. This is evidenced in the performances under Roy in his first season at the club which were, at times, very good & disprove the notion that he is just another Big Sam or Pulis.

Cabaye was in his last season with us when we signed RLC, he was on his last legs and was subbed at c65 minutes almost every game that season.

In that midfield was also Luka and Jimmy Mac, neither of whom are blessed with great speed.

RLC was played out of position too on the left to keep a solid 442 as we know Roy likes this.

I don't think it's as simple as saying our midfield is a few years older, although that is a factor. The biggest factor appears to be the lack of movement - how often do we have promising possession in the opposition half and then pass back into our own half and eventually pass back to the keeper?

Then there is the speed - a one paced build up is so much easier to defend against as Man U demonstrated yesterday. I thought we handled them quite well, partly as their build up play was so slow.

RLC if fit would be a great addition and Gallagher would add energy. However, if we do not pass and move and remain one paced nothing will change.

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