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View Qwijibo's Profile Qwijibo Flag Bournemouth 03 Mar 21 7.49am Send a Private Message to Qwijibo Add Qwijibo as a friend

Man City have just won 21 straight, but I bet they still get bleary eyed memories over the Nicky Weaver play off final.

And I bet they also feel it is time they really kicked on in the Champions League. Just winning the league isn't enough given the opportunity in front of them.

Now back to Palace... we can also do a little more with the opportunity in front of us, regardless of what happened 10, 15, 20 years ago.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 03 Mar 21 8.50am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Qwijibo

Man City have just won 21 straight, but I bet they still get bleary eyed memories over the Nicky Weaver play off final.

And I bet they also feel it is time they really kicked on in the Champions League. Just winning the league isn't enough given the opportunity in front of them.

Now back to Palace... we can also do a little more with the opportunity in front of us, regardless of what happened 10, 15, 20 years ago.

Well said. I’m personally sick to death of hearing, “you should be grateful”, “remember what it used to be like”, “be careful what you wish for”, “we’ll be like Charlton if we expect too much”.

We are there, we are at the top table, forget about the past as the past is irrelevant, we need to push on. Our current target should be to become more like Leicester and less like Burnley. I want teams fearing us when they come to our ground, not attacking us for 90 minutes and using us for target practice.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 03 Mar 21 9.47am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Can lower midtable really be classified as "successful"? Stable, yes, but successful seems a bit of an embarrassing term in context. Also, we are only taking about the modern era, as the late 80s early 90s was what you might more accurately term successful:

88/89 - win division 2 play-offs
89/90 - FA Cup runners up, 15th in League One (top league)
90/91 - finish third in League One only missing out on Europe after Liverpool allowed back in and win the Zenith Data Systems Cup (Ian Wright hat-trick)
91/92 - finish 10th in League One
92/93 - relegated from the newly named Premier League
93/94 - win the title in the second tier (now renamed League One!)

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 03 Mar 21 9.54am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Well said. I’m personally sick to death of hearing, “you should be grateful”, “remember what it used to be like”, “be careful what you wish for”, “we’ll be like Charlton if we expect too much”.

We are there, we are at the top table, forget about the past as the past is irrelevant, we need to push on. Our current target should be to become more like Leicester and less like Burnley. I want teams fearing us when they come to our ground, not attacking us for 90 minutes and using us for target practice.

We are that bad at the moment and haven't been all of the time that Mr Hodgson has been here, end of last season and this season has seen a huge decline in this regard and with the state of our squad as it is now this can not continue into the next season without new additions because we will go down if things continue and this will be with however is our manager.

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 03 Mar 21 10.15am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

The financial implications of relegation have never been so high. Combine this with US owners seemingly unwilling to invest in the club, means that we will always be cautious for results over style. The manager will change but I don't think that philosophy will change until the US owners do.

I don't mind too much for this season as I haven't been there to see it but I would like to be entertained when we return next season.

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 03 Mar 21 10.15am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I agree with what you have said apart from achieving everything without corporate ego trips as our chairman has certainly used his position to increase his own profile

I'd say he keeps a pretty low profile in relation to his position. As a premier league chairman he could be on telly all day every day if he wanted. Simon Jordan certainly would have been!

The kind of corporate ego trip I was referring to has less to do with personal profile anyway, and more to do with not getting carried away and bankrupting the club on a personal vanity quest, as has happened so often elsewhere.

So long as Parish keeps the club sustainable and soundly run, that's the main thing.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 03 Mar 21 10.22am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Good og post. I think we have become a faceless entity without identity, the sole reason for existence is to stay aboard the gravy train that is the PL at all costs. Particularly so during the last four seasons under the exceptional bore Roy Hodgson and his dour football. It dawned on me that without the fans the games have become akin to training sessions, there's none of the theatricality of running to the corner to celebrate a goal for example.
The game's up - without the fans the game is nothing.
Parish is a PR man, he should surely recognise that the legacy he is trying to build is being undermined by us playing the worse football the PL has seen, and future generations will go elsewhere.
If playing s*** football and ending up in the lower reaches of the table every year whilst dropping out of cup competition is deemed success then so be it, but it won't last.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

For me the important thing is not just whether this long stay in the top flight has been enjoyable (I think it has, just about overall) but what it means for the long term future.

Parish and Co saved the club, and were all set to keep the books balanced and the the business sustainable as a championship club. An unexpected promotion and an even more unexpected survival could have led to reckless spending, corporate ego trips, and a big mess in the end,with the club worse than it was to start with.

Instead, these years have left us not only some great memories, famous wins, and an increased profile both locally and commercially, but also with a genuine legacy in the form of the training ground and the academy. Both make us a far better asset in the long term, and both were accomplished by being in the Premier league.

The chances of there being a crystal palace to watch in 10, 20 or 30 years time have increased significantly as a result of this recent period in our history. That's got to be the true success of it all, surely?

As someone who has supported the club for over 65 years I have a rather different perspective than some posters. So I agree with you. From where we were when it started for me to now is a hugely successful journey, which could so easily have ended completely a few short years ago. We are now in a phase where holding onto our place in the Premier League outweighs everything else. We have established a promising Academy, which can draw on a wide area of talent, which can feed through to the first team. We have plans to gradually modernise the stadium. These things take time. Right now the football can be painful to watch but the prize is worth the pain. The biggest challenge seems to me to be in this position in 12 months time. If we can do that then the next 10 years could be really exciting.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 03 Mar 21 10.50am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Sad to say I can't find much to disagree with in this. In fairness though it could apply to a number of teams in the league.Football is not a great experience without crowds or atmosphere and increasingly I'm not watching TV games where Palace are not involved.
Hopefully crowds will be
back next season and the excitement will return.
As an optimist I hope we will also see a more vibrant Palace team who realise the objective of the game is to attack as well as defend.

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Good og post. I think we have become a faceless entity without identity, the sole reason for existence is to stay aboard the gravy train that is the PL at all costs. Particularly so during the last four seasons under the exceptional bore Roy Hodgson and his dour football. It dawned on me that without the fans the games have become akin to training sessions, there's none of the theatricality of running to the corner to celebrate a goal for example.
The game's up - without the fans the game is nothing.
Parish is a PR man, he should surely recognise that the legacy he is trying to build is being undermined by us playing the worse football the PL has seen, and future generations will go elsewhere.
If playing s*** football and ending up in the lower reaches of the table every year whilst dropping out of cup competition is deemed success then so be it, but it won't last.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Mar 21 11.24am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As someone who has supported the club for over 65 years I have a rather different perspective than some posters. So I agree with you. From where we were when it started for me to now is a hugely successful journey, which could so easily have ended completely a few short years ago. We are now in a phase where holding onto our place in the Premier League outweighs everything else. We have established a promising Academy, which can draw on a wide area of talent, which can feed through to the first team. We have plans to gradually modernise the stadium. These things take time. Right now the football can be painful to watch but the prize is worth the pain. The biggest challenge seems to me to be in this position in 12 months time. If we can do that then the next 10 years could be really exciting.

Your valid point relies on the building of the new stand, otherwise, what’s different? A new player and wage strategy could be less short term.

Because the new stand has been so slow, people doubt whether it will ever happen. There isn’t much update on it because Parish and Sainsbury’s can’t agree a price and it might go to a CPO Compulsory Purchase Order, and the fans aren’t party to what this vision is. The problem also is that the Americans don’t seem too interested. I’m more on the side of ‘where there’s a will there’s a way’ and anybody serious wouldn’t let a few car parking spaces get in the way of a new stand that’s got to be in the region of £100 million. So how about someone else? Well one of the conditions of the sale of the club appears to be that Parish won’t relinquish control, which kills the interest off at its early stages.

Aside from the football and the academy, the business aims of staying in the prem for me were to build a new stand and/or attract new buyers and owners that can move the club forward. I am struggling to see any of that getting closer. I am waiting to see what is done with regards to transfers or management staff this summer. Maybe that will give some clue, or not. But we had Americans buy in to build a new stand that really is key to moving the club forward, yet haven’t. If they wait long enough then we will be relegated, and then it won’t be worthwhile doing, to them. But then saving us from relegation by loans seems to be of interest to them and protecting their investment so who knows? Do they want to sell us as a prem club with or without a new stand that Parish probably won’t agree, or what?

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Mar 21 11.38am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

For me the important thing is not just whether this long stay in the top flight has been enjoyable (I think it has, just about overall) but what it means for the long term future.

Parish and Co saved the club, and were all set to keep the books balanced and the the business sustainable as a championship club. An unexpected promotion and an even more unexpected survival could have led to reckless spending, corporate ego trips, and a big mess in the end,with the club worse than it was to start with.

Instead, these years have left us not only some great memories, famous wins, and an increased profile both locally and commercially, but also with a genuine legacy in the form of the training ground and the academy. Both make us a far better asset in the long term, and both were accomplished by being in the Premier league.

The chances of there being a crystal palace to watch in 10, 20 or 30 years time have increased significantly as a result of this recent period in our history. That's got to be the true success of it all, surely?

There's no Crystal Palace to watch now though BTP, I think that's most people's gripe! Here's hoping that changes tonight

Edited by Nicholas91 (03 Mar 2021 12.01pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 Mar 21 11.41am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

The distinction needs to be made between ‘successful’ and ‘enjoyable’.

To me as a fan, enjoyment trumps success - none of us started following Palace because they were a hugely successful club, and so while it’s obviously nice to win games and play in the top flight, it’s not the be all and end all for me. Equally, when I hear fans talking about infrastructure and budgets.. I get it all ties in, but surely no one is happy watching this s***e for 12m so we can turn round and say our press box is improved? Completely accept that will be the board’s priority and they might view it as more important than entertainment, but as a fan I don’t get how you square that off.

Completely accept there are fans who have different priorities, and are happy to endure this for the hopeful progress to follow, but for me the complete lack of enjoyment around Palace games over the last year is not a price worth paying.

 

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