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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Mar 21 1.26pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Biden calls a few changes to voting procedures 'an atrocity'. Perhaps he should invest in a dictionary.

Perhaps you should invest in a dictionary yourself, look up 'racism' and 'bigotry'.

Then look at yourself in the mirror.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 27 Mar 21 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Perhaps you should invest in a dictionary yourself, look up 'racism' and 'bigotry'.

Then look at yourself in the mirror.


To be fair, the stuff about water and food in queues seems a tad churlish but surely tightening up the system in terms of people having to show ID before they can vote and so on makes the system more secure? And helps destroy the narrative/hysteira about elections being stolen?

 


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Originally posted by steeleye20

Perhaps you should invest in a dictionary yourself, look up 'racism' and 'bigotry'.

Then look at yourself in the mirror.

Oooh hurty words!

Whatever you do, don't look up 'fruitcake'.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oooh hurty words!

Whatever you do, don't look up 'fruitcake'.

I assume you've never looked into voting suppression in the US and seen how it overwhelmingly discriminates against non-white communities via draconian laws that prevent them from voting.

Or that the Trump winning the last election lie was based upon disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of votes from majority black districts in Philadelphia.

 

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Originally posted by Wilesy01

I assume you've never looked into voting suppression in the US and seen how it overwhelmingly discriminates against non-white communities via draconian laws that prevent them from voting.

Or that the Trump winning the last election lie was based upon disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of votes from majority black districts in Philadelphia.

Voter suppression isn't suppression if the so called 'voter' isn't eligible.

As for who should and shouldn't be eligible, this is for Americans.

Let's just say that I have zero regard for what any anti white leftist thinks about it. I only laugh when they have the cheek to talk about 'racism'....and it's a belly laugh when they mention bigotry as they are perhaps the worst people on earth for that.

But please carry on with your support for hurty words, I could do with some more amusement.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2021 3.22pm)

 


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Originally posted by Matov


To be fair, the stuff about water and food in queues seems a tad churlish but surely tightening up the system in terms of people having to show ID before they can vote and so on makes the system more secure? And helps destroy the narrative/hysteira about elections being stolen?

Since Walgreens insist on ID from everyone of any age who wants to buy 20 cigarettes it doesn’t seem unreasonable to do the same for voting.

 

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Originally posted by Belmont

In truth I haven't read the links you sent but I will, but I did click on them and at the very least the titles made me uncomfortable. They indeed may support your view of anti White racism but such a small sample size for me doesn't support a stereotype of the whole of left wing media, I'm sure you have seen more but I haven't personally.

A small sample size? Or perhaps you only see what you look for.

Anti white media is rife....Only last year the publicly funded BBC produced a programme on 'Whiteness'. Just how out in the open do you want it to be?


Originally posted by Belmont

Based on my assumption that you mean I will engage in debate on racism on one side of the debate but not comment on what you would call anti white racism. In the cold light of day looking at my post history I could see why you could come to that conclusion and that is fair enough, But this could be true of you and the vast majority of posters on this subject, I tend to pick on posts that to me are hypocritical. But my view on the counter reference is it's as bad as any other.


I have no real issues with you pointing out hypocrisy.....just as I don't really have an issue with you not noticing anti white media....as it just isn't in your interest to look for it.

And that's not a criticism but just a natural bias, which I no doubt also have.


Originally posted by Belmont

Regarding the Watson video I basically watched the whole thing through and taken on face value you could believe that the reporting of the shootings was unfairly slanted towards having a racial motive. But I because he had included quotes from the FBI director I did a quick Google search and realised that other agencies involved in the investigation had also given a view on motive. Just looking at those links I posted that in my opinion he was absolutely slanting it in the direction he wanted. I could have taken a quote from the second link I posted arguing it was racially motivated and ranted on a video for 15 minutes would that have been accurate and fair, nope. Unless he can give a balanced view I'm basically not going to form an opinion.

Well of course he was slanting it, it's an opinion piece not an objective video or court case. However that doesn't make it inaccurate. This 'oh it's cherry picked' argument that some have made doesn't make much sense to me. You could say that of any contention ever....'Oh but you missed this out and it isn't racist'. This could have been done about claims of anti black racism as well.


Originally posted by Belmont

If you were referring to the discussion on stereotyping I didn't actually oppose the crime figures in any way in fact I posted in that thread that I hadn't denied that those figures were true and I still don't. The general principle of what I was saying was, is it fair to stereotype a whole community based on statistics, I could produce stats on how Black people are treated by police when arrested or when in custody, would it then be fair to stereotype the whole of the police force to a man or woman as institutionally racist, nope.

My answer is that facts don't care about feelings. Is it fair to reveal the statistical reality that lower IQ people commit more violent crime than those with high IQs? Am I 'stereotyping' the low IQ?

No, I think that is over sensitive. Just as being low IQ doesn't mean you are going to be violent it's the same for different groups in relation to crime....it's purely statistical.

Instead of contesting what the stats say it's probably more fruitful to think in terms of what could change them.


Originally posted by Belmont

Do I have a low threshold on racism, well in truth I have a low tolerance of one sided stereotyping and what I see as hypocrisy. Do I see those as one in the same thing, well stereotyping could sow the seeds of viewing people as less than you but my view on that is too much for me to write here

So your view on this hasn't evolved from the views people had when segregation was rife in 60s America? Also I'm not saying this is true in this case, but the amount of times you here of discussions on racism against black people and someone trots out a prominent black person who has the same view as if it legitimises what they are saying

I kind of respect for people who attack hypocrisy.....However, let me tell you something from my expereince...it makes no difference as while I can say that facts don't care about your feelings...the reverse is also true...feelings don't care about facts.

But still, where hypocrisy exists, it's better pointed out than just meekly left if only for the record.

As for an evolving opinion since the sixties.....Well, personally I think the ideas back then were far more free and honest than the waffle we get today. Today, what gets called racism can be 'he looked at me funny', where as back then real ideas were being exchanged.

I started out, like most whites, encouraged to be colour blind and to think integration of all humanity was the best thing. Over the last decade, I slowly came to realise how my view was indoctrinated and how more importantly it's wrong.

While it's certainly true that good people will get along and do well regardless and I have no issues with that. I'm now of the view that what is best for all groups is fight against controlled globalism....which in reality a land grab by elites which only continues to worsen as we go on.

Blacks, for example, think that white liberals are on their side....whereas I'm of the view that instead of standing on their own two feet they have been conditioned by them into viewing victimization as a badge of honour.

When you look at who really gains from this it's black elites while the rest of the black population stays where it always was living in relative poverty and high crime. These black elites are themselves still serving their western masters instead of being accountable to their own.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2021 3.50pm)

 


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Joe Biden is doing a fantastic job.

The covid package of enormous benefit and the polls suggest warmly received.

On course for 200 million jabs in 100 days that's quite incredible.

Comparisons with FDR being made already.

He has already made his mark, however long he may last.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Joe Biden is doing a fantastic job.

The covid package of enormous benefit and the polls suggest warmly received.

On course for 200 million jabs in 100 days that's quite incredible.

Comparisons with FDR being made already.

He has already made his mark, however long he may last.

It is an achievement, however under Trump the rollout had just started and had already achieved 1m per day.

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So CNN and Biden team saying there was a non existent plan and they would have to start from scratch was a little unfair. They have been able to build on what was already there and it is certainly an achievement.

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And from the NY times which gives credit to both Presidents

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It won't have escaped any regular reader of these threads that one particular poster is constantly banging on about a growing problem with "anti-white discrimination", particularly in the media, as though it is a fact, whilst it isn't at all. Other opinions are available:-

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A small sample size? Or perhaps you only see what you look for.
Anti white media is rife....Only last year the publicly funded BBC produced a programme on 'Whiteness'. Just how out in the open do you want it to be?

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2021 3.50pm)


I meant the sample size you produced I wasn't actually inferring there wasn't anymore I do in fact remember you posting the programme on whiteness , which I will also find and watch

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I have no real issues with you pointing out hypocrisy.....just as I don't really have an issue with you not noticing anti white media....as it just isn't in your interest to look for it.
And that's not a criticism but just a natural bias, which I no doubt also have. . Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2021 3.50pm)

It's not a matter of not noticing if its not on the BBC Sports or weather pages or the Daily mail I'm not going to see it.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well of course he was slanting it, it's an opinion piece not an objective video or court case. However that doesn't make it inaccurate. This 'oh it's cherry picked' argument that some have made doesn't make much sense to me. You could say that of any contention ever....'Oh but you missed this out and it isn't racist'. This could have been done about claims of anti black racism as well. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2021 3.50pm)

If you read what I actually wrote I said it could have been slanted another way and yes it could have been done about claims of black anti racism as well, to be honest I listened to Trevor Noah's video and I have the same view on that he slanted it the way he wanted. If they had both given balanced quotes on the incident I could have believed both of them more.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My answer is that facts don't care about feelings. Is it fair to reveal the statistical reality that lower IQ people commit more violent crime than those with high IQs? Am I 'stereotyping' the low IQ?
No, I think that is over sensitive. Just as being low IQ doesn't mean you are going to be violent it's the same for different groups in relation to crime....it's purely statistical.
Instead of contesting what the stats say it's probably more fruitful to think in terms of what could change them. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2021 3.50pm)

I don't have a problem with statistical data and I haven't actually contested any stats either, I have a problem with using those stats to demonise a whole group on the actions of a sub set of that group. Yes finding solutions is the way forward I agree.

As for your last comments about how you came to your current view point well that's for you and I'm not going to debate that.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Blacks, for example, think that white liberals are on their side....whereas I'm of the view that instead of standing on their own two feet they have been conditioned by them into viewing victimization as a badge of honour.
When you look at who really gains from this it's black elites while the rest of the black population stays where it always was living in relative poverty and high crime. These black elites are themselves still serving their western masters instead of being accountable to their own. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2021 3.50pm)

This part however I have to be honest I will leave because if I answered it, it would derail the thread further, but just to say I did find it quite funny.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It won't have escaped any regular reader of these threads that one particular poster is constantly banging on about a growing problem with "anti-white discrimination", particularly in the media, as though it is a fact, whilst it isn't at all. Other opinions are available:-

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I'm sure your deluded hypocritical codswallop hasn't gone unnoticed, that's for sure.

 

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