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sprites Auckland 01 Apr 21 4.25am
Originally posted by Elphers40 He scores a couple of goals in an U23 game and that’s sufficient to justify another year on the physio’s table. This is mental! It’s No Coincidence he needs to secure a new contract and suddenly he’s fit again. Such a terrible waste of talent - could have been a real legend for us. We ought to have learned our lesson by now - history tells us that this little flash of form will be short lived. Talk about flogging a dead horse. We’ve got to move on. Just so I'm clear, what are you suggesting here? That, depsite being fit and fine to play, Connor was faking an injury so he wouldn't have to play...? And now that his contract is up, he's decided to play so he can earn a new contract? And somehow the medical team/physios are on board with this? Or is he fooling them too? Sorry, just want to make sure I'm clear on what you're insinuating. Please correct me if I've misunderstood.
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sprites

Auckland 01 Apr 21 4.25am

Originally posted by Elphers40

He scores a couple of goals in an U23 game and that’s sufficient to justify another year on the physio’s table. This is mental!
It’s No Coincidence he needs to secure a new contract and suddenly he’s fit again.
Such a terrible waste of talent - could have been a real legend for us.

We ought to have learned our lesson by now - history tells us that this little flash of form will be short lived. Talk about flogging a dead horse. We’ve got to move on.

Just so I'm clear, what are you suggesting here? That, depsite being fit and fine to play, Connor was faking an injury so he wouldn't have to play...? And now that his contract is up, he's decided to play so he can earn a new contract?

And somehow the medical team/physios are on board with this? Or is he fooling them too?

Sorry, just want to make sure I'm clear on what you're insinuating. Please correct me if I've misunderstood.

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Elphers40 Northants 01 Apr 21 9.07am
I’m suggesting that Connor has all the qualities to be a brilliant player - except the most important one - the right mentality. I’m not disagreeing that he has genuinely been injured, or that an element of bad luck is involved. But that desperation to play and commitment to do the hard work that is needed to get back seems to lacking. Some players are happy to do the bare minimum and collect their salary every month Connor Wickham is one of them in my view.
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Northants 01 Apr 21 9.07am

I’m suggesting that Connor has all the qualities to be a brilliant player - except the most important one - the right mentality.

I’m not disagreeing that he has genuinely been injured, or that an element of bad luck is involved.

But that desperation to play and commitment to do the hard work that is needed to get back seems to lacking. Some players are happy to do the bare minimum and collect their salary every month Connor Wickham is one of them in my view.

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silvertop Portishead 01 Apr 21 12.10pm
Who would CHOOSE to avoid the excitement of first team football, the adulation, the sponsorship money, the chunk of the £30M + sale to a £5m+ a year ECL club if he succeeded etc? That people even suggest this..?
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silvertop

Portishead 01 Apr 21 12.10pm

Who would CHOOSE to avoid the excitement of first team football, the adulation, the sponsorship money, the chunk of the £30M + sale to a £5m+ a year ECL club if he succeeded etc?

That people even suggest this..?

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 01 Apr 21 2.04pm
Originally posted by Elphers40 I’m suggesting that Connor has all the qualities to be a brilliant player - except the most important one - the right mentality. I’m not disagreeing that he has genuinely been injured, or that an element of bad luck is involved. But that desperation to play and commitment to do the hard work that is needed to get back seems to lacking. Some players are happy to do the bare minimum and collect their salary every month Connor Wickham is one of them in my view. You make a very valid point Elphers40 and it is one that cannot be discounted. Mental attitude has a huge part to play in sportsmen and women and how they perform.
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Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 01 Apr 21 2.04pm

Originally posted by Elphers40

I’m suggesting that Connor has all the qualities to be a brilliant player - except the most important one - the right mentality.

I’m not disagreeing that he has genuinely been injured, or that an element of bad luck is involved.

You make a very valid point Elphers40 and it is one that cannot be discounted. Mental attitude has a huge part to play in sportsmen and women and how they perform.

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TheBigToePunt 01 Apr 21 2.15pm
Originally posted by Phil’s Barber You make a very valid point Elphers40 and it is one that cannot be discounted. Mental attitude has a huge part to play in sportsmen and women and how they perform. But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it? I totally understand the frustration with players who miss games with tiny niggles when they could push through the pain barrier a bit more (an accusation levelled, fairly or otherwise, at Daniel Sturridge) but Wickham has had a series of medium to long term injuries. That has nothing to do with his mentality whatsoever. Only the club doctors and physios will know if he could have pushed himself any harder during rehab, and for folk on here, who have no access to that information, to connect his time out injured with his mental attitude is grossly unfair.
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TheBigToePunt

01 Apr 21 2.15pm

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

You make a very valid point Elphers40 and it is one that cannot be discounted. Mental attitude has a huge part to play in sportsmen and women and how they perform.

But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it?

I totally understand the frustration with players who miss games with tiny niggles when they could push through the pain barrier a bit more (an accusation levelled, fairly or otherwise, at Daniel Sturridge) but Wickham has had a series of medium to long term injuries. That has nothing to do with his mentality whatsoever.

Only the club doctors and physios will know if he could have pushed himself any harder during rehab, and for folk on here, who have no access to that information, to connect his time out injured with his mental attitude is grossly unfair.

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jeeagles 01 Apr 21 3.18pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it? I totally understand the frustration with players who miss games with tiny niggles when they could push through the pain barrier a bit more (an accusation levelled, fairly or otherwise, at Daniel Sturridge) but Wickham has had a series of medium to long term injuries. That has nothing to do with his mentality whatsoever. Only the club doctors and physios will know if he could have pushed himself any harder during rehab, and for folk on here, who have no access to that information, to connect his time out injured with his mental attitude is grossly unfair. There was an interview with Wayne Bridge recently where he said he was put out in the cold by a manager after complaining about a niggle before a game. Thought the manager was absolutely in the right to do it. There's a seen in invictus where Nelson Mandela asks Francois Piennar about an injury. Piennar replies "to be honest, you are never 100% fit". That conversation would have happened prior to 1995, so Piennar wouldn't have even been professional. Fictional, but goes to show that professional players need to accept they are likely to be constantly carrying injuries. Particularly as they age. There seems to be a worrying amount of players that walk of the pitch with signs of only minor discomfort. However, this may not apply to Wickham. I'm surprised a guy of his size gets so many injuries still. Perhaps unsurprising that his knee was a problem, other setbacks are questionable. I'd really question our strength and conditioning training. Something doesn't seem right with the amount of injuries we get, its not simply down to age.
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01 Apr 21 3.18pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it?

There was an interview with Wayne Bridge recently where he said he was put out in the cold by a manager after complaining about a niggle before a game.

Thought the manager was absolutely in the right to do it.

There's a seen in invictus where Nelson Mandela asks Francois Piennar about an injury. Piennar replies "to be honest, you are never 100% fit". That conversation would have happened prior to 1995, so Piennar wouldn't have even been professional. Fictional, but goes to show that professional players need to accept they are likely to be constantly carrying injuries. Particularly as they age. There seems to be a worrying amount of players that walk of the pitch with signs of only minor discomfort.

However, this may not apply to Wickham. I'm surprised a guy of his size gets so many injuries still. Perhaps unsurprising that his knee was a problem, other setbacks are questionable.

I'd really question our strength and conditioning training. Something doesn't seem right with the amount of injuries we get, its not simply down to age.

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Eaglecoops CR3 01 Apr 21 3.46pm
There are players who want to play football at all costs. There are players who are happy to sit on the sidelines forever whilst raking in a lovely salary. There are no benefits for playing well or for appearances unless you happen to have a rare contract that specifies this. Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum.
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CR3 01 Apr 21 3.46pm

There are players who want to play football at all costs. There are players who are happy to sit on the sidelines forever whilst raking in a lovely salary. There are no benefits for playing well or for appearances unless you happen to have a rare contract that specifies this.

Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum.

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Midlands Eagle 01 Apr 21 4.29pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum. How can we possibly know as all we have to go on is gossip and speculation
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum.

How can we possibly know as all we have to go on is gossip and speculation

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Putitout Oxford 01 Apr 21 4.54pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum. Surely, it isn’t as simple as questioning Wickhams character. There is a whole team of physios, doctors, coaches, manager, accountants, chairman ,board members. All have got an interest in what Whickhams condition is and why. One thing is for certain the club have to put their hands in their pockets on his future. Any decision taken has to be in good faith, and not because he has conned anyone, or that the board have taken their business caps off.
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Putitout

Oxford 01 Apr 21 4.54pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Like people in all walks of life you have hard workers and shirkers. Make your own mind up where he fits into that spectrum.

Surely, it isn’t as simple as questioning Wickhams character.
There is a whole team of physios, doctors, coaches, manager, accountants, chairman ,board members. All have got an interest in what Whickhams condition is and why. One thing is for certain the club have to put their hands in their pockets on his future. Any decision taken has to be in good faith, and not because he has conned anyone, or that the board have taken their business caps off.

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TheBigToePunt 01 Apr 21 8.53pm
Originally posted by Putitout Surely, it isn’t as simple as questioning Wickhams character. There is a whole team of physios, doctors, coaches, manager, accountants, chairman ,board members. All have got an interest in what Whickhams condition is and why. One thing is for certain the club have to put their hands in their pockets on his future. Any decision taken has to be in good faith, and not because he has conned anyone, or that the board have taken their business caps off. Spot on.
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TheBigToePunt

01 Apr 21 8.53pm

Originally posted by Putitout

Spot on.

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 01 Apr 21 11.00pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it? I totally understand the frustration with players who miss games with tiny niggles when they could push through the pain barrier a bit more (an accusation levelled, fairly or otherwise, at Daniel Sturridge) but Wickham has had a series of medium to long term injuries. That has nothing to do with his mentality whatsoever. Only the club doctors and physios will know if he could have pushed himself any harder during rehab, and for folk on here, who have no access to that information, to connect his time out injured with his mental attitude is grossly unfair. It may well do, as that overarching mental attitude has the potential to directly affect the level of work put in and the compliance with do’s and don’ts, during treatment and rehabilitation. Some will work harder and be more committed to looking after themselves than others and that will directly affect their bodies and their recovery rates. There have also been numerous studies conducted on the very subject of how mental attitude can affect treatment and recovery, furthermore highlighting that the two can be intrinsically linked. I’m not saying there has been anything wrong with Connors attitude, only that Elphers40 expressed opinion cannot be dismissed out of hand, because he may well be right. Edited by Phil’s Barber (01 Apr 2021 11.01pm)
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Phil’s Barber

Crowborough 01 Apr 21 11.00pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

But it doesn't make their knees any stronger does it?

It may well do, as that overarching mental attitude has the potential to directly affect the level of work put in and the compliance with do’s and don’ts, during treatment and rehabilitation. Some will work harder and be more committed to looking after themselves than others and that will directly affect their bodies and their recovery rates.

There have also been numerous studies conducted on the very subject of how mental attitude can affect treatment and recovery, furthermore highlighting that the two can be intrinsically linked.

I’m not saying there has been anything wrong with Connors attitude, only that Elphers40 expressed opinion cannot be dismissed out of hand, because he may well be right.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (01 Apr 2021 11.01pm)

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Eaglecoops CR3 01 Apr 21 11.02pm
Originally posted by Putitout Surely, it isn’t as simple as questioning Wickhams character. There is a whole team of physios, doctors, coaches, manager, accountants, chairman ,board members. All have got an interest in what Whickhams condition is and why. One thing is for certain the club have to put their hands in their pockets on his future. Any decision taken has to be in good faith, and not because he has conned anyone, or that the board have taken their business caps off. I haven’t suggested he has conned anyone although you seem keen to put those words in my mouth? He may well be at the, ‘wants to play football at all costs’ end of the spectrum. There are players out there though who will do as little as possible to earn as much as possible.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 01 Apr 21 11.02pm

Originally posted by Putitout

I haven’t suggested he has conned anyone although you seem keen to put those words in my mouth? He may well be at the, ‘wants to play football at all costs’ end of the spectrum. There are players out there though who will do as little as possible to earn as much as possible.

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