Hi SW19

This is my take on it

a/ Johnson has already come out and said he sees the need for the domestic passport, there is considerable evidence that for the past few months they (HMG) have been looking to develop the software to have this in place. It is great news that already a number of MP’s have said they will oppose this and vote against this with the LD’s saying they, as a party, oppose so they will be getting my vote in the local elections.

It is clear that the majority of tory MP’s will follow the government line so will be likely to vote in favour.

b/ How would it work - well the model is already in existence in Israel where you need to show your digital ID to enter, for example, a bar, restaurant, shopping centre. Many will feel that this is ok (WE for example) however what they are blind to, in my opinion, is that once we start down this road it will lead to having to have whatever government mandated medicine (they are already talking about an annual booster) and without this entry will be denied. Like I said many will be, ignorantly, happy with this believing that it provides “freedom” but this is not my belief.

Do you really trust Johnson etc with this level of control over your day to day life? The man is a proven liar, cheat and wholly unsuited to a position of power (I say this as someone who, regrettably voted for him and was previously a lifelong conservative voter)

Once established it is just a small step to a CCP style social credit score where your access to a normal life is based on your score any dissent and your score reduces and suddenly you are unable to travel (for example)

The fact that Tony Blair supports it should be enough to put most sane people off the idea!

I am not anti-vax and I can understand that an international vaccine passport might be needed but I am very strongly against having to “show my papers” to go to Selhurst or to get a pint.

As I said others see no issue with this and that it their right but it is definitely not for me, nor is it a place that I want my children to live in.

Apologies for the long response - it is like a Bluejay note!

I agree with you but others will blindly follow. It's the back door way to national ID cards, for anyone that remembers that debate.

Not bitter at the Uber drivers mate, they are just doing a hard job, bitter at a load of Eton toffs breaking the law and getting away with it, carving up tax payers money for themselves? You bet !

I have no issue with a secure ID card that has my vacc cert on it.
There are a number of companies tendering for the vaccines passport right now but not one of them has the technology to make them either secure or trustworthy.
If the Gov't runs with any of them it will be waste of time and they will be open to serious abuse but sadly this Gov't is no different to previous ones in that someone says they can do it and the powers that be just let them loose.
Track and Trace is the latest example.
Done properly it would work just fine.

Sooo - it’s not reallly a ‘domestic passport’ though is it. That’s sensationalist guff lapped up by the usual media suspects to gain clicks so they can talk about stasi Britain and county border checks and all that.

It’s a certificate on the NHS app or equivalent that you MAY need to show at large scale events such as festivals or football games to get in. Which, knowing the level of deficiency when it comes to government and anything digital will probably be insanely easy to counterfeit. Otherwise, such events won’t be able to be insured, and have a high chance of creating an outbreak in which case they will be fined or shut down. Without it? No more festivals. No more large scale events. In the short term anyway.

So I’d like to know what your solution is to that minor issue without some form of proof of vaccination.

Secondly you make reasonable points right up until you lob a clearly preconceived, and absolutely massive leap from nhs app to social credit score. I’m not saying that this won’t ever happen on a global scale but it will be many many years into the future. Sure China have been at it in one area of their country for ages but we simply don’t have the capabilities or the under population for this to be an option short to medium term. The government would get booted out of office.

Plus - this already happens now, Facebook have been doing it for years. When big tech really takes over then it will actually affect you outside more than just Facebook et al.

As for bumbler Johnson, who the PM is in this scenario is more or less irrelevant. I’d wager anyone in that position would be doing more or less the same thing - However, as you say, you voted for him so the ‘do you really trust’ like is somewhat galling.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (02 Apr 2021 10.33pm)