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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 Apr 21 11.46am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Already this week I have noticed that the number of patient appointments where I volunteer has dropped due to the vaccine shortages. From next week the mass vaccination sites will slowly wind down and close for the month. Bromley will only do mornings until the 12th when it closes.

I mentioned to a friend in Italy how well the roll out was doing compared to the EU "It's not a race she snapped". I'm afraid that is exactly what it is. Countries that have been slow out of the blocks are now fighting to get hold of the vaccine across the world. Vaccine protectionism is now rife with the EU, India and the USA taking measures to safeguard their supply.

In the UK we are now feeling the slowdown the good news is that the people who need it most have been vaccinated and should get their 2nd dose. It may take longer for the under 50's to get theirs which might upset holiday plans but then again who wants to go to Europe where the virus is still heading in the wrong direction.

As for the poorer countries the WHO is pleading for the rich western countries to share that is not going to happen anytime soon although I have no doubt that the UK will be at the front of the queue once we have completed our roll out.


Edited by Badger11 (03 Apr 2021 10.14am)

I think we produce the vaccine here in the UK as well so some getting delivered is better than relying on the eu. It is a tad ironic that british money funded the R and D which without we would all be fecked.

 

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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 03 Apr 21 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I think we produce the vaccine here in the UK as well so some getting delivered is better than relying on the eu. It is a tad ironic that british money funded the R and D which without we would all be fecked.


Jenner Institute out of pocket with expected loss of its largest funder, the European Commission

The head of a UK institute behind a promising coronavirus vaccine candidate is concerned about how to replace European Union funding after Brexit.

Adrian Hill, who is director of the Jenner Institute at the University of Oxford (pictured), made the comments following news that their vaccine—known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19—had produced a promising immune response in a large, early-stage human trial.

The potential vaccine is being developed in collaboration with pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca, with the first deliveries potentially starting in September. The UK has already ordered 100 million doses of the vaccine.

Responding to a question from Research Professional News on the impact of Brexit on vaccine development during a Science Media Centre briefing on 20 July, Hill said that while the Covid-19 vaccine did not rely on EU funding, the institute does rely heavily on funding from the European Commission.

“More generally across the programmes at the Jenner Institute—and there are more than 12 vaccines in clinical development now—the European Commission has probably been our largest funder over the past five years until now.

“So that’s going to leave a gap and we are working hard to try to fill that, but it’s not easy.”

Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at the institute added that non-Covid vaccine programmes, including on flu, are likely to be affected. She said: “We have had EU funding and it’s not clear where that kind of money is going to come from in future.”

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Apr 21 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

No doubt everyone has a different story to tell during these times. Many lost loved ones either because of covid or during it (and couldn't appropriately mourn them), or had to make quarantine type sacrifices to keep others safe for a year plus. For all sorts of reasons and even regardless of peoples personal take on the approach, it's not been a barrel of fun and we are and have been in a war of sorts. Maple's line of work, OAP homes certainly resembled a war zone. It's often the 'lets pretend it isn't happening' or 'carry on as normal, they'll die soon anyway' types who laughably seem to see themselves as 'bulldog spirit' heroes of the piece, so if they can I'm happy for someone who actually behaved with duty and care to feel like they have done their bit too .

Edited by BlueJay (03 Apr 2021 12.44am)

Many of the people against these restrictions and mass industry destruction and mass unemployment will have kept the country going after being brave at the unknown beginning so everyone can have a functioning country and everything lands at their doorstep or out in public places and shops so they can live with almost zero risk while others venture outside to discover there’s very little for most of us anyway. It will be interesting to see another virus somehow leak out of China in 10-20 years and the west destroy itself again. Lockdown for most of last summer? Appeasing the terrified and the media. Nothing more. If this virus sprung up out of Europe the west would never have become obsessed with this authoritarianism like it has.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 03 Apr 21 2.44pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Many of the people against these restrictions and mass industry destruction and mass unemployment will have kept the country going after being brave at the unknown beginning so everyone can have a functioning country and everything lands at their doorstep or out in public places and shops so they can live with almost zero risk while others venture outside to discover there’s very little for most of us anyway. It will be interesting to see another virus somehow leak out of China in 10-20 years and the west destroy itself again. Lockdown for most of last summer? Appeasing the terrified and the media. Nothing more. If this virus sprung up out of Europe the west would never have become obsessed with this authoritarianism like it has.

It's been a tremendously difficult situation to weigh up as it's gone along, and even countries like Sweden who at one time were seen to have avoided lockdowns and the impact of covid (healthwise and economically) for the main part now appear to have avoided neither. Really I think with the various factors at play whatever approach we took would lead to a similar outcome (unless we had shut down 'very' early perhaps NZ style).

It is a fine line to tread I appreciate that. I was commenting more of peoples experiences (those for and against any restrictions really) of the pandemic so far. Tthere is a natural inclination for governments to take away rights rather than ever hand them back and so that is always a worry. That's why with for instance the Bristol protests, I'm not exactly overjoyed at people doing their own thing, but at the same time see them as convenient timing-wise to demonise and get the public to accept permanent stripping away of rights that might come back to haunt them. Also, the initial headlines and reports of policeman suffering broken arms, legs and so on all turned out not to false [Link] (but of course that wasn't reported), so it's more propaganda than news.

The authoritarianism point is a fair concern. No doubt the next big talking point will be 'vaccine passports'. I see sense in that for international travel for the time being (inbound and outbound) due to the masses of mutations and the like that could creep in and suddenly change things fast courtesy of being connected to many billions of people, but on a local level I can well understand why people would take issue with it. If individual events or venues want to fair enough, but the idea that you'd 'have to' to show vaccination status to gain entry to establishments, I'm not in favour of. Surely the whole idea of vaccinating the majority of people is that it reduces risk and normality can eventually resume. There will always be a certain level of risk, and a yearly jab will hopefully ensure it's kept to 'flu' levels of concern. And it can be updated yearly. To me that's as good as it's ever going to get. This is ultimately a worldwide issue and so I don't see that showing a vaccine passport to enter local venues here will make a blind but of difference to anything that is or isn't going to follow.


 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Apr 21 3.01pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Agree. Even if it looks as though the Astra Zeneca vaccine doesn’t protect against the South African variant [Link] and the Pfizer 2nd dose does [Link] There has to come a point where this stops, or it just continues for reason after reason and it never ends. The problem is that nobody in power wants to take the blame when that point has to come, unless of course we want this to continue indefinitely.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Apr 2021 3.03pm)

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 03 Apr 21 8.11pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agree. Even if it looks as though the Astra Zeneca vaccine doesn’t protect against the South African variant [Link] and the Pfizer 2nd dose does [Link] There has to come a point where this stops, or it just continues for reason after reason and it never ends. The problem is that nobody in power wants to take the blame when that point has to come, unless of course we want this to continue indefinitely.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Apr 2021 3.03pm)

I’d be amazed if this continues indefinitely. Johnson has effectively staked his premiership on June being the last of the unified lockdowns. Also with a vaccine I cannot see us, well the UK anyway, relapsing.

The only way that would happen is if another type of virus decided to appear. And if that happens in the next 10 years we really are in the s***. Although I’d like to think that recency bias might help us out with better funded preparation this time!

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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BlueJay Flag UK 03 Apr 21 11.35pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agree. Even if it looks as though the Astra Zeneca vaccine doesn’t protect against the South African variant [Link] and the Pfizer 2nd dose does [Link] There has to come a point where this stops, or it just continues for reason after reason and it never ends. The problem is that nobody in power wants to take the blame when that point has to come, unless of course we want this to continue indefinitely.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (03 Apr 2021 3.03pm)

Yes, future top-up jabs can centre around what we know works best. Our initial approach was to throw everything at it. Future jabs will plug any gaps so individuals should act accordingly. It's the only sensible way to proceed really, else we'll be continuing to put life on hold for all for an ever smaller number of people.

We had the ill advised Eat Out to Help Out, with millions beings persuaded to eat in when they were unnvaccinated. Now with 30 million+ plus on the path to being full vaccinated, people are suddenly scared of the idea of who is going for a beer. We need to find the right balance going forward, and if passports for pubs and restaurants are mandatory across the board I don't think that's it. At some point the impact on mental health exceeds that of the physical toll. If forced to I'll adhere to it I will because what's the other choice, though I'm sure this is 'music to government ears'.


 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Apr 21 5.06am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

According to the WHO only 10% of 900 million people in the eu area have had a vaccine. Not sure if that 900 includes under 18s or even the UK but its very low. France in another lockdown and Italy deploying 70k more police to enforce theirs. On the whole then hmg hasn't and isn't doing too bad.

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 04 Apr 21 6.41am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

There will be lockdown/restrictions for ever now.....we will still be told to wear masks/social distance for at least 5 years.....the rates of infection are going up here in France, even with fairly Draconian restrictions in place.....Im beginning to think that travel back to the UK will be banned for years....and even then it will be very expensive (2 and 8 day tests at 250 each, even if only staying for 3 or 4 days.....which MPs mate has the contract for testing?) tests here are FREE! The government are liars, every single one of them...Ive gone from believing them to be doing good stuff to now believing they are just on a massive power trip, trying to take away all your rights!!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Apr 21 7.12am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

There will be lockdown/restrictions for ever now.....we will still be told to wear masks/social distance for at least 5 years.....the rates of infection are going up here in France, even with fairly Draconian restrictions in place.....Im beginning to think that travel back to the UK will be banned for years....and even then it will be very expensive (2 and 8 day tests at 250 each, even if only staying for 3 or 4 days.....which MPs mate has the contract for testing?) tests here are FREE! The government are liars, every single one of them...Ive gone from believing them to be doing good stuff to now believing they are just on a massive power trip, trying to take away all your rights!!

Which government The French? I have started watching Baron Noir which is a sort of French House of Cards they certainly know how to scheme and back stab in that show.

 


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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 04 Apr 21 7.50am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Which government The French? I have started watching Baron Noir which is a sort of French House of Cards they certainly know how to scheme and back stab in that show.

The French and the English governments, they are both full of liars, Boris, Hancock, Gove Macron etc all liars in it for themselves

Edited by the silurian (04 Apr 2021 7.50am)

 

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Originally posted by Orange1290


Jenner Institute out of pocket with expected loss of its largest funder, the European Commission

The head of a UK institute behind a promising coronavirus vaccine candidate is concerned about how to replace European Union funding after Brexit.

Adrian Hill, who is director of the Jenner Institute at the University of Oxford (pictured), made the comments following news that their vaccine—known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19—had produced a promising immune response in a large, early-stage human trial.

The potential vaccine is being developed in collaboration with pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca, with the first deliveries potentially starting in September. The UK has already ordered 100 million doses of the vaccine.

Responding to a question from Research Professional News on the impact of Brexit on vaccine development during a Science Media Centre briefing on 20 July, Hill said that while the Covid-19 vaccine did not rely on EU funding, the institute does rely heavily on funding from the European Commission.

“More generally across the programmes at the Jenner Institute—and there are more than 12 vaccines in clinical development now—the European Commission has probably been our largest funder over the past five years until now.

“So that’s going to leave a gap and we are working hard to try to fill that, but it’s not easy.”

Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at the institute added that non-Covid vaccine programmes, including on flu, are likely to be affected. She said: “We have had EU funding and it’s not clear where that kind of money is going to come from in future.”

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Article written in July. Is there not a possibility funding “issues” may have changed since then?

 

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