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Teddy Eagle 07 Apr 21 10.34pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Read the first paragraph mate where it was a bit graphy for my liking, a bit like todays press conference. You have to put yourself in my shoes, if JC had got in, and dianne abbott was doing the gov press conference today, after telling you it was record breaking, world beating, gold starring, look how clever i am, and then said we dont want anyone under 30 taking it, you would be all over it!I think they are getting away with murder, cocking up, carving up the loot , lining not just theirs, but their great great great grandchildrens pockets, and nobody cares. And im not saying vote starmer either, he was a double crosser not to be trusted, but like i said, you imagine if the boot was on the other foot and you would be spitting blood! But I’m not interested in the political side of it, CP, just that thousands of people die of blood clots and DVT every year. If it is proven that the vaccine was responsible then maybe those who said it had been under tested have a point.
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Teddy Eagle

07 Apr 21 10.34pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Read the first paragraph mate where it was a bit graphy for my liking, a bit like todays press conference. You have to put yourself in my shoes, if JC had got in, and dianne abbott was doing the gov press conference today, after telling you it was record breaking, world beating, gold starring, look how clever i am, and then said we dont want anyone under 30 taking it, you would be all over it!I think they are getting away with murder, cocking up, carving up the loot , lining not just theirs, but their great great great grandchildrens pockets, and nobody cares. And im not saying vote starmer either, he was a double crosser not to be trusted, but like i said, you imagine if the boot was on the other foot and you would be spitting blood!

But I’m not interested in the political side of it, CP, just that thousands of people die of blood clots and DVT every year.
If it is proven that the vaccine was responsible then maybe those who said it had been under tested have a point.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 07 Apr 21 10.53pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But I’m not interested in the political side of it, CP, just that thousands of people die of blood clots and DVT every year. If it is proven that the vaccine was responsible then maybe those who said it had been under tested have a point. Ok mate, you could be right, I just don"t get all the jingoism when 127 k have died, not by you, by the gov.
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 07 Apr 21 10.53pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Ok mate, you could be right, I just don"t get all the jingoism when 127 k have died, not by you, by the gov.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 07 Apr 21 11.09pm
Originally posted by silvertop 19 deaths from 20 million doses - and we still don't know whether they were likely to get a blood clot without the dose. 31% risk of blood clot from the severe form of the disease. You do the arithmetic. Politics/economics feeding off the sort of mass hysteria that causes people to wear masks in the street, or when driving alone in their own car! This is not thalidomide. I have had one AZ dose and will have the second from the same source in June. I suspect there is a higher risk of getting an infection from the needle than getting blood clots; and that doesn't matter which juice they pump you with. This. I suppose we will find out soon enough if there is actually a causal link in younger women, but even if there was, as has been stated the incidence rate is so vanishingly low as to be almost inconsequential. Legally though, there might be an issue without if it is causal and they don't take any steps – which is probably why they've decided to withhold it from the under 30s. That and the fact out of the 20m+ given it so far not that many are under 30, so it could increase. The fact still remains though, that 79 cases out of 20m is significantly lower incidence rate of clotting than what would be expected from a non-vaccinated group, which I believe is something like 1700 cases per million. Soooo it's all a bit overblown, really. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 07 Apr 21 11.09pm

Originally posted by silvertop

19 deaths from 20 million doses - and we still don't know whether they were likely to get a blood clot without the dose.

31% risk of blood clot from the severe form of the disease.

You do the arithmetic.

Politics/economics feeding off the sort of mass hysteria that causes people to wear masks in the street, or when driving alone in their own car!

This is not thalidomide. I have had one AZ dose and will have the second from the same source in June.

I suspect there is a higher risk of getting an infection from the needle than getting blood clots; and that doesn't matter which juice they pump you with.

This.

I suppose we will find out soon enough if there is actually a causal link in younger women, but even if there was, as has been stated the incidence rate is so vanishingly low as to be almost inconsequential.

Legally though, there might be an issue without if it is causal and they don't take any steps – which is probably why they've decided to withhold it from the under 30s. That and the fact out of the 20m+ given it so far not that many are under 30, so it could increase.

The fact still remains though, that 79 cases out of 20m is significantly lower incidence rate of clotting than what would be expected from a non-vaccinated group, which I believe is something like 1700 cases per million. Soooo it's all a bit overblown, really.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Mapletree Croydon 07 Apr 21 11.34pm
[Link] England has 40,000 deaths from thrombosis per year. Rather puts the 79 cases and 19 deaths from 20 million vaccinated people into perspective. Thrombosis is a bloomin big issue it seems. I hadn’t realised the scale. Edited by Mapletree (07 Apr 2021 11.40pm)
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Croydon 07 Apr 21 11.34pm

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England has 40,000 deaths from thrombosis per year.

Rather puts the 79 cases and 19 deaths from 20 million vaccinated people into perspective.

Thrombosis is a bloomin big issue it seems. I hadn’t realised the scale.

Edited by Mapletree (07 Apr 2021 11.40pm)

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 08 Apr 21 12.11am
Originally posted by Mapletree [Link] England has 40,000 deaths from thrombosis per year. Rather puts the 79 cases and 19 deaths from 20 million vaccinated people into perspective. Thrombosis is a bloomin big issue it seems. I hadn’t realised the scale. Edited by Mapletree (07 Apr 2021 11.40pm) All very well, but is it safe? Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by Mapletree

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England has 40,000 deaths from thrombosis per year.

Rather puts the 79 cases and 19 deaths from 20 million vaccinated people into perspective.

Thrombosis is a bloomin big issue it seems. I hadn’t realised the scale.

Edited by Mapletree (07 Apr 2021 11.40pm)

All very well, but is it safe?

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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Teddy Eagle 08 Apr 21 12.57am
A bit more background. [Link]
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08 Apr 21 12.57am

A bit more background.

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 08 Apr 21 9.24am
Originally posted by Mapletree [Link] England has 40,000 deaths from thrombosis per year. Rather puts the 79 cases and 19 deaths from 20 million vaccinated people into perspective. Thrombosis is a bloomin big issue it seems. I hadn’t realised the scale. Edited by Mapletree (07 Apr 2021 11.40pm) I may be missing it in your link, but I can't see where it states 40,000 deaths in England. The last data I can find is 40,000 for the whole of the EU. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 08 Apr 21 9.24am

Originally posted by Mapletree

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England has 40,000 deaths from thrombosis per year.

Rather puts the 79 cases and 19 deaths from 20 million vaccinated people into perspective.

Thrombosis is a bloomin big issue it seems. I hadn’t realised the scale.

Edited by Mapletree (07 Apr 2021 11.40pm)

I may be missing it in your link, but I can't see where it states 40,000 deaths in England. The last data I can find is 40,000 for the whole of the EU.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Apr 21 9.43am
This situation really sums up the mentality of people in 2021. Paranoid. It is clear that the risks of the AZ vaccine are heavily outweighed by the benefit. About 1 in 250,000 people have had blood clots which may or may not be caused entirely by the jab. I totally understand the apprehension about having a fast tracked vaccine but so far the results seem very good. Politically, it is also reasonable to offer alternative versions to younger people who are likely to feel that the risk against benefit balance is slightly less favourable. In reality however, the alternatives offered are probably just as likely to cause some side effects in a small number of people as the AZ.
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This situation really sums up the mentality of people in 2021. Paranoid.

It is clear that the risks of the AZ vaccine are heavily outweighed by the benefit. About 1 in 250,000 people have had blood clots which may or may not be caused entirely by the jab.
I totally understand the apprehension about having a fast tracked vaccine but so far the results seem very good.

Politically, it is also reasonable to offer alternative versions to younger people who are likely to feel that the risk against benefit balance is slightly less favourable. In reality however, the alternatives offered are probably just as likely to cause some side effects in a small number of people as the AZ.

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Eaglecoops CR3 08 Apr 21 9.45am
Originally posted by croydon proud This is the correct reply Badger! It is preferable for everyone to get the jab,I would if i hadn"t already got the pfiser, its just the world beating, first in the race, gold medal, jingoism that these CONS have to give out every time, and posters and CONS blaming europe for questioning the safety , that erks me. Maybe any poster that said europe were just getting brexit revenge, who have now been proved right, will do the decent thing and say they were wrong. Seriously CP, is every life decision and thought you have based on a a political agenda? It doesn't seem to matter what is being discussed you will try and blame the conservative party for any negativity stemming from it. You need to loosen up a bit and get a rake of beers down you.
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CR3 08 Apr 21 9.45am

Originally posted by croydon proud

This is the correct reply Badger! It is preferable for everyone to get the jab,I would if i hadn"t already got the pfiser, its just the world beating, first in the race, gold medal, jingoism that these CONS have to give out every time, and posters and CONS blaming europe for questioning the safety , that erks me. Maybe any poster that said europe were just getting brexit revenge, who have now been proved right, will do the decent thing and say they were wrong.

Seriously CP, is every life decision and thought you have based on a a political agenda? It doesn't seem to matter what is being discussed you will try and blame the conservative party for any negativity stemming from it.

You need to loosen up a bit and get a rake of beers down you.

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Mapletree Croydon 08 Apr 21 11.03am
Originally posted by topcat I may be missing it in your link, but I can't see where it states 40,000 deaths in England. The last data I can find is 40,000 for the whole of the EU. [Link]
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Croydon 08 Apr 21 11.03am

Originally posted by topcat

I may be missing it in your link, but I can't see where it states 40,000 deaths in England. The last data I can find is 40,000 for the whole of the EU.

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cryrst The garden of England 08 Apr 21 12.56pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Seriously CP, is every life decision and thought you have based on a a political agenda? It doesn't seem to matter what is being discussed you will try and blame the conservative party for any negativity stemming from it. You need to loosen up a bit and get a rake of beers down you. I did try with explanation but gave up tbh! Imagine what I'm getting if we aren't back to normal in 3 months ref brexit. The member for medway will be getting defrocked
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cryrst

The garden of England 08 Apr 21 12.56pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You need to loosen up a bit and get a rake of beers down you.

I did try with explanation but gave up tbh!
Imagine what I'm getting if we aren't back to normal in 3 months ref brexit. The member for medway will be getting defrocked

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 08 Apr 21 1.20pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Seriously CP, is every life decision and thought you have based on a a political agenda? It doesn't seem to matter what is being discussed you will try and blame the conservative party for any negativity stemming from it. You need to loosen up a bit and get a rake of beers down you. Cheers eaglecoops, you might be right!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 08 Apr 21 1.20pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You need to loosen up a bit and get a rake of beers down you.

Cheers eaglecoops, you might be right!

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