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kev64 Cambs 11 Apr 21 7.13pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill The thing is, how do you get a bunch of overpaid journeymen to have that bit of fire and pride when the bar is set so ridiculously low? PL survival at all costs, 17th place acceptable. We've seen the lack of desire for a cup run, instigated by the manager's team selection and tactics in those games. I can imagine an agent saying to his player: "I've got a lovely little club lined up for you, will see you out until retirement, generous benefits, minimum requirement is to avoid relegation. Sounds good? Crystal Palace is the club, what do you think?" Have we got a bunch of overpaid journeymen ? Ward, Zaha. JMac most of our team have been there several seasons. It’s 100% management, we buy a #10 Eze play him on the left wing instead of Townsend/Wilf or Schulp take your pick. Ayew play him on the right ... after him having a good season up front. Tekkers with nobody to cross to him. Matea scores, gets subbed and is never seen again. The team gets over run playing 442 yesterday, what does Roy do swap 2 midfield players for 2 midfielders, it’s an ever decreasing circle of misery for our team .... You listen to Leeds players, looking up the table, Roy well 17th is all I want .. last season we ended 7 loses .. this season let’s do it again. If we are changing managers do it now SP or let us know if Roy is staying so I can refund my ST Ł and return when s*** changes.
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kev64

Cambs 11 Apr 21 7.13pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

The thing is, how do you get a bunch of overpaid journeymen to have that bit of fire and pride when the bar is set so ridiculously low? PL survival at all costs, 17th place acceptable. We've seen the lack of desire for a cup run, instigated by the manager's team selection and tactics in those games.
I can imagine an agent saying to his player: "I've got a lovely little club lined up for you, will see you out until retirement, generous benefits, minimum requirement is to avoid relegation. Sounds good? Crystal Palace is the club, what do you think?"

Have we got a bunch of overpaid journeymen ? Ward, Zaha. JMac most of our team have been there several seasons.

It’s 100% management, we buy a #10 Eze play him on the left wing instead of Townsend/Wilf or Schulp take your pick. Ayew play him on the right ... after him having a good season up front. Tekkers with nobody to cross to him. Matea scores, gets subbed and is never seen again.

The team gets over run playing 442 yesterday, what does Roy do swap 2 midfield players for 2 midfielders, it’s an ever decreasing circle of misery for our team ....

You listen to Leeds players, looking up the table, Roy well 17th is all I want .. last season we ended 7 loses .. this season let’s do it again.

If we are changing managers do it now SP or let us know if Roy is staying so I can refund my ST Ł and return when s*** changes.

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Arthur Waite Portsmouth 11 Apr 21 8.00pm
In answer to the thread headline, I think it's a mix of both. First and foremost, the manager always has to take responsibility. At last, Hodgson accepted responsibility after the game. However, the mindset and negative tactics employed against every team has been dispiriting and depressing to watch. We all know, we can't compete Onan equal footing with Man City, Spurs, etc etc, but when we concede possession against lower opposition and simply sit back, waiting for a mistake, we will consistently lose games. Despite what the manager says after games, we do not put things right. I agree that Hodgson has kept Palace in the Premier, but his expectations are always too low. His ambition, which the players 'feed off' is too low. eg We are safe so therefore there is nothing left to do. Re the players, there has been alack of desire from most, BUT we have players out of position and a midfield that lacks quality overall. Eze is a potential quality player, but is played out of position, therefore seriously limiting his ability to create chances to win matches. Zaha is not a typical 'front man'. He has been made virtually redundant in current position, where his dribbling skill has almost diminished. Defensively, we are very much below Prem average. We have some good young players in reserves. Some of them need 'blooding' before the end of the season, before we lose them! The powers that be need to be decisive now- there needs to be clear out of players that a) are expensive on the wage bill and b) over the hill. Hodgson has done a job that was necessary. New blood at manager level and with the playing staff is now urgently required. With fans in the stadium, I think there would have been mutiny by now!
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Portsmouth 11 Apr 21 8.00pm

In answer to the thread headline, I think it's a mix of both.

First and foremost, the manager always has to take responsibility. At last, Hodgson accepted responsibility after the game.

However, the mindset and negative tactics employed against every team has been dispiriting and depressing to watch. We all know, we can't compete Onan equal footing with Man City, Spurs, etc etc, but when we concede possession against lower opposition and simply sit back, waiting for a mistake, we will consistently lose games.

Despite what the manager says after games, we do not put things right. I agree that Hodgson has kept Palace in the Premier, but his expectations are always too low. His ambition, which the players 'feed off' is too low. eg We are safe so therefore there is nothing left to do.

Re the players, there has been alack of desire from most, BUT we have players out of position and a midfield that lacks quality overall.

Eze is a potential quality player, but is played out of position, therefore seriously limiting his ability to create chances to win matches.

Zaha is not a typical 'front man'. He has been made virtually redundant in current position, where his dribbling skill has almost diminished.

Defensively, we are very much below Prem average.

We have some good young players in reserves. Some of them need 'blooding' before the end of the season, before we lose them!

The powers that be need to be decisive now- there needs to be clear out of players that a) are expensive on the wage bill and b) over the hill.

Hodgson has done a job that was necessary.

New blood at manager level and with the playing staff is now urgently required.

With fans in the stadium, I think there would have been mutiny by now!

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CPFCwetrust Maidstone 11 Apr 21 8.07pm
I think it's a mix of the following: 1. No fans to give the players a boost or a verbal kick up the arse. 2. Roy having the aforementioned impulse to play the same players even when there are alternative options and in positions that aren't their best suited position. ( No real competitiveness for a starting place for the likes of - Benteke, Ayew, Zaha, Mili etc....) 3. The 'slower than my dads walking football' midfielders. 4. The same game plan every game when it comes to getting it to Zaha when possible. Not exactly surprising he gets hacked down and wound up every game. 5. The lack of investment in certain areas. 6. Roys talks must be the least inspiring talks in the history of football if the energy levels of the last game showed. 7. Players taking the piss qhen it comes to having their head in the game as we are just about safe. 8. No real captain on the pitch...Jedinak I sorely miss. I predict at the end of the season that Zaha will be sold to offset the cost of new players that are needed. The likes of Sakho, Wickham, Benteke etc will finally be sacked off. Ferguson may finally be fit next season, fingers crossed for some of the youth to make more of a show (wishful thinking), a new manager, less reliance on one player, some forward play with a forward more likely to score than our defenders, Cahill to have an extended contract, some of the elderly also to leave, a fresh start with a bit more ambition in the cups next season.
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Maidstone 11 Apr 21 8.07pm

I think it's a mix of the following:
1. No fans to give the players a boost or a verbal kick up the arse.
2. Roy having the aforementioned impulse to play the same players even when there are alternative options and in positions that aren't their best suited position. ( No real competitiveness for a starting place for the likes of - Benteke, Ayew, Zaha, Mili etc....)
3. The 'slower than my dads walking football' midfielders.
4. The same game plan every game when it comes to getting it to Zaha when possible.
Not exactly surprising he gets hacked down and wound up every game.
5. The lack of investment in certain areas.
6. Roys talks must be the least inspiring talks in the history of football if the energy levels of the last game showed.
7. Players taking the piss qhen it comes to having their head in the game as we are just about safe.
8. No real captain on the pitch...Jedinak I sorely miss.

I predict at the end of the season that Zaha will be sold to offset the cost of new players that are needed. The likes of Sakho, Wickham, Benteke etc will finally be sacked off.

Ferguson may finally be fit next season, fingers crossed for some of the youth to make more of a show (wishful thinking), a new manager, less reliance on one player, some forward play with a forward more likely to score than our defenders, Cahill to have an extended contract, some of the elderly also to leave, a fresh start with a bit more ambition in the cups next season.

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southnorwoodhill 11 Apr 21 8.09pm
Originally posted by kev64 Have we got a bunch of overpaid journeymen ? Ward, Zaha. JMac most of our team have been there several seasons. It’s 100% management, we buy a #10 Eze play him on the left wing instead of Townsend/Wilf or Schulp take your pick. Ayew play him on the right ... after him having a good season up front. Tekkers with nobody to cross to him. Matea scores, gets subbed and is never seen again. The team gets over run playing 442 yesterday, what does Roy do swap 2 midfield players for 2 midfielders, it’s an ever decreasing circle of misery for our team .... You listen to Leeds players, looking up the table, Roy well 17th is all I want .. last season we ended 7 loses .. this season let’s do it again. If we are changing managers do it now SP or let us know if Roy is staying so I can refund my ST Ł and return when s*** changes. Oh I agree, I'm no fan of Hodgson either for the reasons you give. Under him everything has become jaded and stale. The point I was trying to make is that the players we have are overpaid for the task they have to achieve and the ability they actually display.
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Originally posted by kev64

Have we got a bunch of overpaid journeymen ? Ward, Zaha. JMac most of our team have been there several seasons.

The team gets over run playing 442 yesterday, what does Roy do swap 2 midfield players for 2 midfielders, it’s an ever decreasing circle of misery for our team ....

You listen to Leeds players, looking up the table, Roy well 17th is all I want .. last season we ended 7 loses .. this season let’s do it again.

If we are changing managers do it now SP or let us know if Roy is staying so I can refund my ST Ł and return when s*** changes.

Oh I agree, I'm no fan of Hodgson either for the reasons you give. Under him everything has become jaded and stale. The point I was trying to make is that the players we have are overpaid for the task they have to achieve and the ability they actually display.

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