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PalazioVecchio south pole 05 Apr 21 10.14am
...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league. Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned. Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety. In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field. So what would you change ? is it our 'keeper ? our back four ? our formation ? midfield ? our distribution when we have the ball ? Is our use of the offside trap inappropriate ? our line too high ? our defence against corners & other set-pieces ? would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ? We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE one of the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league. Discuss Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am) Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 11.44am) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league.

Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned.

Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety.

In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field.

So what would you change ?

is it our 'keeper ? our back four ? our formation ? midfield ? our distribution when we have the ball ? Is our use of the offside trap inappropriate ? our line too high ? our defence against corners & other set-pieces ?

would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ?

We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE one of the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league.

Discuss

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am)

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 11.44am)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 21 10.21am
Kept 3 'Clean sheets' in our last 4 games !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Apr 21 10.21am

Kept 3 'Clean sheets' in our last 4 games !

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crystal-purley Purley 05 Apr 21 10.22am
Not too many changes to make really Change the training sessions as we lose the occasional player that way Change the way we buy players as the older players tend to have only 25 matches per season Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am) Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).
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Not too many changes to make really
Change the training sessions as we lose the occasional player that way
Change the way we buy players as the older players tend to have only 25 matches per season
Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes

Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am)

Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

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PalazioVecchio south pole 05 Apr 21 10.55am
Originally posted by crystal-purley Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am) Not so much a maybe, as a Defo. Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 05 Apr 21 10.55am

Originally posted by crystal-purley

Maybe try one of the younger players sometimes

Edited by crystal-purley (05 Apr 2021 10.23am)

Not so much a maybe, as a Defo.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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joe_cpfc Basingstoke 05 Apr 21 11.06am
Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.
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Basingstoke 05 Apr 21 11.06am

Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Apr 21 11.46am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio ...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league. Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned. Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety. In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field. So what would you change ? is it our 'keeper ? our back four ? our formation ? midfield ? our distribution when we have the ball ? Is our use of the offside trap inappropriate ? our line too high ? our defence against corners & other set-pieces ? would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ? We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league. Discuss Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am) Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post: 1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight! 2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet) 3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores. I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote: "Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings. Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished. Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top. We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record). What to do? A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need: a) at least 1 young CB with some pace b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over. Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan. If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 05 Apr 21 11.46am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

...one of the worst numbers of goals conceded in the whole league.

Above the bottom two teams, in the table, there is only one other team who has leaked in more goals than us (Leeds). And Leeds are way above us in terms of Goal-difference and points earned.

Of course, the numbers can be misleading. Numbers are skewed by the kickings we took from Liverpool, Leicester et al. And the fact we are so high in the table is a testament to many days of heroic defensive performances. Many a 0-0 or a 0-1 has got us to safety.

In this day and age, defense is the responsibility of the whole squad, not just the back four. Although, Benteke has been good at preventing goals, our defence really starts at mid-field.

So what would you change ?

would a different manager get a better defensive performance from these fellas ? or worse ?

We are playing a strong Everton today. If we let in a goal or two, we Will HAVE the WORST number of goals conceded of all the top 18 teams in the league.

Discuss

Edited by PalazioVecchio (05 Apr 2021 10.53am)

Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight!
2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet)
3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores.

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:

"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.

Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need:
a) at least 1 young CB with some pace
b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward
c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it
d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over.
Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan.

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

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cryrst The garden of England 05 Apr 21 5.25pm
Originally posted by doombear Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post: 1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight! 2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet) 3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores. I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote: "Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings. Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished. Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top. We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record). What to do? A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need: a) at least 1 young CB with some pace b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over. Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan. If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up. nice one I did laugh at your first line
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The garden of England 05 Apr 21 5.25pm

Originally posted by doombear

Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:

"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

nice one I did laugh at your first line

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Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 21 Apr 21 10.51pm
I just watched a replay of the play off final v Watford on Sky Sports mix. What a goal line headed clearance by Joel Ward in the last minute of extra time. He epitomises what our club is all about. He may not be the most gifted but he never knowingly let�s us down.
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Bexley Kent 21 Apr 21 10.51pm

I just watched a replay of the play off final v Watford on Sky Sports mix. What a goal line headed clearance by Joel Ward in the last minute of extra time. He epitomises what our club is all about. He may not be the most gifted but he never knowingly let�s us down.

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silvertop Portishead 22 Apr 21 10.36am
Originally posted by doombear Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post: 1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight! 2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet) 3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores. I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote: "Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings. Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished. Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top. We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record). What to do? A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need: a) at least 1 young CB with some pace b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over. Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan. If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up. Good post, but an expensive gesture if those 4 improvements to the squad then spent the bulk of the season in the physio room after suffering mysterious injuries in training. Get that issue sorted and we will be a safe mid table team that never flirts with relegation and has the odd flutter in the Cups and Europe. BTW the absence of Tomkins has been a major factor in our goal concession. A Cahill-Tomkins defence filled the lines in front of them with confidence to play better and kept them bl00dy goals out. Like Liverpool are finding, lose important characters in defence and the fabric crumbles.
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Portishead 22 Apr 21 10.36am

Originally posted by doombear

Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:

"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

Good post, but an expensive gesture if those 4 improvements to the squad then spent the bulk of the season in the physio room after suffering mysterious injuries in training.

Get that issue sorted and we will be a safe mid table team that never flirts with relegation and has the odd flutter in the Cups and Europe.

BTW the absence of Tomkins has been a major factor in our goal concession. A Cahill-Tomkins defence filled the lines in front of them with confidence to play better and kept them bl00dy goals out. Like Liverpool are finding, lose important characters in defence and the fabric crumbles.

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Painter Croydon 22 Apr 21 1.08pm
Originally posted by doombear Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post: 1. We have the SIXTH worst goals conceded record (47 goals) - you have overlooked Newcastle (50) and Southampton (53). Of course, we may well overtake them tonight! 2. We drew 1-1 with Leicester, so weren't thrashed by them (yet) 3. We've had just three 0-0 draws (fewer than Man U) and three 1-0 wins, so the remaining 25 points gained have come from other scores. I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote: "Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings. Although, he has a point our worst result came when we tried to go toe-to-toe against Liverpool. Likewise, our attempt to take the game to Spurs at the beginning of the 2nd half of the recent away game saw us quickly demolished. Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top. We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record). What to do? A change of manager on its own is unlikely to make things better. We need: a) at least 1 young CB with some pace b) a box-to-box midfielder who can shield the ball well going forward c) a CDM who can see a pass and play it d) a pacy wide man who can put good crosses over. Just those four will cost more than our club is likely to splash out, so at least one of them would have to be a loan. If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up. Very strange, nobody is pointing the finger at Guaita. I don�t imagine Hennessy would of got such sympathy!
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Croydon 22 Apr 21 1.08pm

Originally posted by doombear

Before, discussing the topic, I'll let the pedant in me (sorry M.E.) get the better of me by pointing out the following inaccuracies in your post:

I think Joe_ has put his finger on a major issue and I quote:

"Our setup puts our defence under massive pressure for most of every game so if the defence has an off game, which is bound to happen, then there's going to be a few batterings.

Owing to our slow and aged defence and defensive midfield, we can't afford to defend too far up the pitch otherwise the oppo will get behind us either down the flanks or with balls over the top.

We haven't had a settled back four at any time during this season. Indeed, I can't recall a game in which we played our strongest defensive line-up (because of our horrendous injury record).

What to do?

If we got the four of them, the manager (whoever that might be) would at least have options as to how to set the team up.

Very strange, nobody is pointing the finger at Guaita. I don�t imagine Hennessy would of got such sympathy!

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Apr 21 2.58pm
Originally posted by Painter Very strange, nobody is pointing the finger at Guaita. I don�t imagine Hennessy would of got such sympathy! Indeed. I find the bias against Hennessey somewhat over the top. My assumption is that with Butland on a medium term contract, Wayne will be leaving in the summer in search of 1st team football. As for Guaita, He's a great shop stopper, positions himself well BUT he doesn't command his area and that has IMHO led to some unnecessary goals against. I'd still have him as our no.1 but would like to see Butland given a few games once we're mathematically safe.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Apr 21 2.58pm

Originally posted by Painter

Very strange, nobody is pointing the finger at Guaita. I don�t imagine Hennessy would of got such sympathy!

Indeed. I find the bias against Hennessey somewhat over the top. My assumption is that with Butland on a medium term contract, Wayne will be leaving in the summer in search of 1st team football.

As for Guaita, He's a great shop stopper, positions himself well BUT he doesn't command his area and that has IMHO led to some unnecessary goals against. I'd still have him as our no.1 but would like to see Butland given a few games once we're mathematically safe.

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palace99 New Mills 22 Apr 21 3.09pm
Originally posted by doombear Indeed. I find the bias against Hennessey somewhat over the top. My assumption is that with Butland on a medium term contract, Wayne will be leaving in the summer in search of 1st team football. As for Guaita, He's a great shop stopper, positions himself well BUT he doesn't command his area and that has IMHO led to some unnecessary goals against. I'd still have him as our no.1 but would like to see Butland given a few games once we're mathematically safe. Not having a pop at VG just pointing out an obvious - Chelsea's 3rd goal will be repeated regularly against us. Put the ball onto the edge of the 6 yard box and VG won't come. Win the header and it's a nailed on goal. Burnley clearly targeted us at corners by flooding the 6 yard box and their 2nd goal was perfectly executed. VG is by no means the only goalie who doesn't command his area but we do seem to concede more often as a result.
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New Mills 22 Apr 21 3.09pm

Originally posted by doombear

Indeed. I find the bias against Hennessey somewhat over the top. My assumption is that with Butland on a medium term contract, Wayne will be leaving in the summer in search of 1st team football.

Not having a pop at VG just pointing out an obvious - Chelsea's 3rd goal will be repeated regularly against us. Put the ball onto the edge of the 6 yard box and VG won't come. Win the header and it's a nailed on goal. Burnley clearly targeted us at corners by flooding the 6 yard box and their 2nd goal was perfectly executed.

VG is by no means the only goalie who doesn't command his area but we do seem to concede more often as a result.

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