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 Spiderman  Horsham 23 Apr 21 9.45am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you read the whole piece, in the context of her remarks, what she says has a great deal of truth and common sense in it. Racism has only been mentioned by you. I haven't accused anyone of racism. I have only suggested that not simply referring to criminals as criminals is unwise as it doesn't help solve the problem. If you feel victimised by being described as a racist then look elsewhere. I haven't done it. You have never accused anyone of being racist! Really? Unbelievable
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 Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 21 9.52am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You mean the predominantly White Cornwall.? Edited by Spiderman (23 Apr 2021 6.27am) People are not though "calling the gangs for what they are"! They might not specifically suggest that all pakistanis are involved but that won't stop the slur being felt. It's that which matters because it's outcomes which produce results and not righteous claims. It's the "****-bashing" undertones which characterise many of the comments which I regard as disgraceful. Not of themselves but because they fail to recognise the harm they are doing to finding an actual solution to a very nasty problem.
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 21 9.55am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You have never accused anyone of being racist! Really? Unbelievable In this thread, in this context, I have not. It's not a term I use lightly, if ever. That people think they have been so accused is quite another matter.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Apr 21 10.00am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
You weren’t debating with me.
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Apr 21 10.03am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In this thread, in this context, I have not. It's not a term I use lightly, if ever. That people think they have been so accused is quite another matter.
Edited by Spiderman (23 Apr 2021 10.12am)
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Apr 21 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Some of these men probably not. They need to be found and then dealt with in a way that removes any possibility of re-offending. That is a huge and very expensive challenge. Some can though, working through and with the leaders of their communities. More importantly it's the coming generations who need to be steered off that track. This isn't pakistan. There are many contrary influences here which need to be harnessed to change mindsets. Speak to a British educated younger Muslim and they are as horrified at the concept of honour killings as the rest of us. They are the future and it's their attitudes that need to be maximised. Ostracising whole communities isn't wise, which is the primary point I am trying to make. With regard to your first paragraph, the fact that the authorities refused to go after these gangs initially is what many people are angry about. It is a fact that no action was taken because they were Asian gangs, something that is not up for debate. All that happened was basically the girls were the accused.
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Apr 21 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
People are not though "calling the gangs for what they are"! They might not specifically suggest that all pakistanis are involved but that won't stop the slur being felt. It's that which matters because it's outcomes which produce results and not righteous claims. It's the "****-bashing" undertones which characterise many of the comments which I regard as disgraceful. Not of themselves but because they fail to recognise the harm they are doing to finding an actual solution to a very nasty problem. Maybe it is you hat see the undertones as it suits your narrative
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 23 Apr 21 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You weren’t debating with me. re read your post...'if you want a private debate use PM' ?? Edited by the silurian (23 Apr 2021 10.17am)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 23 Apr 21 10.18am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
People are not though "calling the gangs for what they are"! They might not specifically suggest that all pakistanis are involved but that won't stop the slur being felt. It's that which matters because it's outcomes which produce results and not righteous claims. It's the "****-bashing" undertones which characterise many of the comments which I regard as disgraceful. Not of themselves but because they fail to recognise the harm they are doing to finding an actual solution to a very nasty problem. yet you are the only one to use the term p***?? Strange that!! Edited by the silurian (23 Apr 2021 10.20am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 21 10.24am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Edited by Spiderman (23 Apr 2021 10.12am) Was that a typo? I didn't say "never".
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 23 Apr 21 10.36am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
yet you are the only one to use the term p***?? Strange that!! Edited by the silurian (23 Apr 2021 10.20am) Saying they are "of Asian descent" would be a lot better than using "pakistani", which is what is actually done. No-one is "covering up the crimes"! It's that kind of inference which is so ridiculous. Prosecutions have, and are, happening. If the Police, and other involved agencies, believe publicity will help them then no doubt they will seek it. If they don't and prefer they do their work quietly then best we respect that.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 21 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Saying they are "of Asian descent" would be a lot better than using "pakistani", which is what is actually done. No-one is "covering up the crimes"! It's that kind of inference which is so ridiculous. Prosecutions have, and are, happening. If the Police, and other involved agencies, believe publicity will help them then no doubt they will seek it. If they don't and prefer they do their work quietly then best we respect that. So it would be better to include Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Malay etc. etc. I'm not sure they would agree.
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