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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 25 May 21 12.36pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt ... Firstly, I have stood and then sat through year after year of just as much utter dross from Palace in the second tier as I have in the top flight. It isn't some golden land of laughs and bonhomie. It still costs the earth. Selhurst is usually half empty. Everyone still finds plenty to moan about. It still rains. ... All my life, watching Palace play in the championship is partly about watching the game that day, partly about the context of the league table, and partly about the longer-term direction of the club. To watch championship football with little or no interest in the latter two is an alien concept to me, and one I think people may struggle with more than they relaise. As someone who started watching Palace in the old Division 2 when Big Mal was overseeing the drop to Division 3, I can remember a lot of dross in those early years with the odd highlight (our 5 goals in 11 first half minutes against Swindon before reverting to type); conceding 2 goals in injury time (like in the recent Arsenal game) to turn a long-awaited home win into a 1-2 defeat. Fortunately, the Venable years came and we had that great season in which we only lost 4 games and yet we were on tenterhooks in the final Friday night game fearing a shock 0-1 reverse and missing out until Swindlehurst and Walsh turned such fears to exhilaration and ecstasy. Football, though has changed beyond recognition since those 1970s years. crunching tackles bring a red card today, shoulder-to-shoulder muscling often results in a foul. You can now get sent off even if you play the ball but then hit your opponent in your natural follow-through. VAR has taken away the natural euphoria when your team put the ball in the net and no doubt it will work its way down into the lower leagues. But most of all, money has spoilt the game. It's now a business, whether you are in the PL or the Championship. For me, one's team either needs to be a small club with limited expectations plying its trade in League 1/League 2 with the occasional cup upset against a PL team or in the PL trying to become established and one day winning one of the cups and having a European adventure. The odds of doing another Leicester are about 5000-1.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 25 May 21 12.36pm

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

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Firstly, I have stood and then sat through year after year of just as much utter dross from Palace in the second tier as I have in the top flight. It isn't some golden land of laughs and bonhomie. It still costs the earth. Selhurst is usually half empty. Everyone still finds plenty to moan about. It still rains.

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All my life, watching Palace play in the championship is partly about watching the game that day, partly about the context of the league table, and partly about the longer-term direction of the club. To watch championship football with little or no interest in the latter two is an alien concept to me, and one I think people may struggle with more than they relaise.

As someone who started watching Palace in the old Division 2 when Big Mal was overseeing the drop to Division 3, I can remember a lot of dross in those early years with the odd highlight (our 5 goals in 11 first half minutes against Swindon before reverting to type); conceding 2 goals in injury time (like in the recent Arsenal game) to turn a long-awaited home win into a 1-2 defeat. Fortunately, the Venable years came and we had that great season in which we only lost 4 games and yet we were on tenterhooks in the final Friday night game fearing a shock 0-1 reverse and missing out until Swindlehurst and Walsh turned such fears to exhilaration and ecstasy.

Football, though has changed beyond recognition since those 1970s years. crunching tackles bring a red card today, shoulder-to-shoulder muscling often results in a foul. You can now get sent off even if you play the ball but then hit your opponent in your natural follow-through. VAR has taken away the natural euphoria when your team put the ball in the net and no doubt it will work its way down into the lower leagues.

But most of all, money has spoilt the game. It's now a business, whether you are in the PL or the Championship.

For me, one's team either needs to be a small club with limited expectations plying its trade in League 1/League 2 with the occasional cup upset against a PL team or in the PL trying to become established and one day winning one of the cups and having a European adventure. The odds of doing another Leicester are about 5000-1.

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Pete53 Hassocks 25 May 21 4.47pm
As an oldie season 68-69 in Div.2 was special with us winning promotion to to the top flight for the first time. Stand out moments for me were beating Millwall home and away and that final home game against Fulham when we secured promotion, all games I attended. Also beating the eventual champions Derby at the Baseball ground on our run in was special. Having now had a total over 20 seasons in the top top division it's easy to forget how big an achievement that seemed back then.
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Hassocks 25 May 21 4.47pm

As an oldie season 68-69 in Div.2 was special with us winning promotion to to the top flight for the first time. Stand out moments for me were beating Millwall home and away and that final home game against Fulham when we secured promotion, all games I attended. Also beating the eventual champions Derby at the Baseball ground on our run in was special.

Having now had a total over 20 seasons in the top top division it's easy to forget how big an achievement that seemed back then.

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 25 May 21 5.05pm
Originally posted by Goal Machine Not sure if I agree with the bit in bold. In the Championship, it almost always felt that we were in the hunt for promotion or survival, it just seemed like every game mattered more than it does now. We're just stuck in midtable and the season is over by March every year. I've been going since 2000 and whilst in the Championship I can remember two final day survivals, Dougie steering us to safety from the relegation zone, two promotions via the playoffs, two failed play offs and two runs to the league cup semi final. Without doubt, the football was worse in the Championship, but we certainly had more drama than we do now. I couldn't give a monkey's who we're playing against, a win is a win and it feels great. Next year will be tough with a new manager/squad, but if we end up in a relegation fight, it will be far more exciting. In answer to the OP, I'd take the yoyo option, although I'd trade for a Cup win/season in Europe (which I don't think will happen). tend to agree with this. We had season-long campaigns where there were huge achievements at stake played out over time - be they promotion campaigns or relegation scraps. You felt like we were working towards something, it built, had momentum, set-backs etc. There's nothing exciting about a 'season' in the Prem as a whole because our ambition has been killed off. 'Get to x points and fizzle out'. It's just not exciting save for a few unexpected wins as mentioned above. For me, both the individual moments of brilliance/match results, and the 'campaigns' i.e. a season of exciting endeavour with a major achievement at the end - they all happened in the Championship. And I'd add to that that we played consistently more exciting football with some of those promotion-winning teams than anything we've seen in the Prem.
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Originally posted by Goal Machine

Not sure if I agree with the bit in bold. In the Championship, it almost always felt that we were in the hunt for promotion or survival, it just seemed like every game mattered more than it does now. We're just stuck in midtable and the season is over by March every year.

I've been going since 2000 and whilst in the Championship I can remember two final day survivals, Dougie steering us to safety from the relegation zone, two promotions via the playoffs, two failed play offs and two runs to the league cup semi final.

Without doubt, the football was worse in the Championship, but we certainly had more drama than we do now. I couldn't give a monkey's who we're playing against, a win is a win and it feels great.

Next year will be tough with a new manager/squad, but if we end up in a relegation fight, it will be far more exciting.

In answer to the OP, I'd take the yoyo option, although I'd trade for a Cup win/season in Europe (which I don't think will happen).

tend to agree with this. We had season-long campaigns where there were huge achievements at stake played out over time - be they promotion campaigns or relegation scraps. You felt like we were working towards something, it built, had momentum, set-backs etc. There's nothing exciting about a 'season' in the Prem as a whole because our ambition has been killed off. 'Get to x points and fizzle out'. It's just not exciting save for a few unexpected wins as mentioned above. For me, both the individual moments of brilliance/match results, and the 'campaigns' i.e. a season of exciting endeavour with a major achievement at the end - they all happened in the Championship. And I'd add to that that we played consistently more exciting football with some of those promotion-winning teams than anything we've seen in the Prem.

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rollercoaster Cornwall 25 May 21 6.08pm
I can remember at the start of last season and the start of this, the consensus on here was that supporters wanted a boring season away from the trauma of a relegation scrap. That is exactly what we got. Have to bring out the ever present cliche here. "Be careful what you wish for". Sorry, but so appropriate in so many threads.
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Cornwall 25 May 21 6.08pm

I can remember at the start of last season and the start of this, the consensus on here was that supporters wanted a boring season away from the trauma of a relegation scrap. That is exactly what we got.

Have to bring out the ever present cliche here. "Be careful what you wish for". Sorry, but so appropriate in so many threads.

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Pikester Worthing 25 May 21 6.15pm
Originally posted by rollercoaster I can remember at the start of last season and the start of this, the consensus on here was that supporters wanted a boring season away from the trauma of a relegation scrap. That is exactly what we got. Have to bring out the ever present cliche here. "Be careful what you wish for". Sorry, but so appropriate in so many threads. I probably said that... just didn't realise just how boring it would be! I don't really want the painful relegation season either - just the fun promotion ones. Fickle? Moi? You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.
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Worthing 25 May 21 6.15pm

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Have to bring out the ever present cliche here. "Be careful what you wish for". Sorry, but so appropriate in so many threads.

I probably said that... just didn't realise just how boring it would be!
I don't really want the painful relegation season either - just the fun promotion ones.
Fickle? Moi?

You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.

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Elpis In a pub 29 May 21 9.08am
Anything pre 'premier league' and pre all seater stadiums gets my vote The ruination of the game advanced with pace at these points . Modern coaching where ball retention and pace are favoured before skill and heart along with the new laws with regard non contact VAR and cheating players has all but made it unwatchable . And we still need a striker
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In a pub 29 May 21 9.08am

Anything pre 'premier league' and pre all seater stadiums gets my vote

The ruination of the game advanced with pace at these points .

Modern coaching where ball retention and pace are favoured before skill and heart along with the new laws with regard non contact VAR and cheating players has all but made it unwatchable .

And we still need a striker

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CPFC Dartford Dartford 29 May 21 9.35am
Originally posted by ambrose7 The thing I'd challenge back on is the majority of the games in between those 'moments' were rubbish. You've named 5 moments across about 35 years and excluded all the dross. In recent years you've got a win at the Etihad against the champions, two wins in a row at Old Trafford, winning Gerrard's last game at Anfield, regularly beating Chelsea home and away, winning at the Emirates, a team good enough to get to an FA Cup Final, watching Bolasie, Zaha, Cabaye, Sakho (when he was on it) who wouldn't have hung around for 5 minutes in the Championship. Plus, we wouldn't have the academy team we currently have - they'd all be elsewhere. This season has been really dull, not helped by not being able to watch it, but a Premier League season gives you memorable moments every year. We won at Old Trafford this year. You may get 2 exciting promotion seasons in 20 by not being here, but the other 18 will be heinous to watch with nothing memorable and that isn't being appropriately recognised. Watching a dead rubber against Arsenal is better than watching a dead rubber against Doncaster with Shefki Kuqi, John Oster and and Gary Borrowdale running around. My sentiments exactly, so true what you say. My overall best days are now and I�ve been supporting Palace for nearly 40 years!!
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Dartford 29 May 21 9.35am

Originally posted by ambrose7

The thing I'd challenge back on is the majority of the games in between those 'moments' were rubbish. You've named 5 moments across about 35 years and excluded all the dross.

In recent years you've got a win at the Etihad against the champions, two wins in a row at Old Trafford, winning Gerrard's last game at Anfield, regularly beating Chelsea home and away, winning at the Emirates, a team good enough to get to an FA Cup Final, watching Bolasie, Zaha, Cabaye, Sakho (when he was on it) who wouldn't have hung around for 5 minutes in the Championship. Plus, we wouldn't have the academy team we currently have - they'd all be elsewhere.

This season has been really dull, not helped by not being able to watch it, but a Premier League season gives you memorable moments every year. We won at Old Trafford this year. You may get 2 exciting promotion seasons in 20 by not being here, but the other 18 will be heinous to watch with nothing memorable and that isn't being appropriately recognised.

Watching a dead rubber against Arsenal is better than watching a dead rubber against Doncaster with Shefki Kuqi, John Oster and and Gary Borrowdale running around.

My sentiments exactly, so true what you say. My overall best days are now and I�ve been supporting Palace for nearly 40 years!!

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monkey Sittingbourne,Kent 29 May 21 11.03am
Originally posted by rollercoaster I can remember at the start of last season and the start of this, the consensus on here was that supporters wanted a boring season away from the trauma of a relegation scrap. That is exactly what we got. Have to bring out the ever present cliche here. "Be careful what you wish for". Sorry, but so appropriate in so many threads. A boring season as in mid table or comfortably out of the relegation battle, yes!! Butt NOT painfully boring and frustrating negative performances to get there. We seemed to throw in the towel in so many games last season as well. Personally I�d sooner chance going down attacking and getting stuck in rather than standing off teams and showing the big boys far too much respect Made in Bromley
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Sittingbourne,Kent 29 May 21 11.03am

Originally posted by rollercoaster

Have to bring out the ever present cliche here. "Be careful what you wish for". Sorry, but so appropriate in so many threads.

A boring season as in mid table or comfortably out of the relegation battle, yes!! Butt NOT painfully boring and frustrating negative performances to get there. We seemed to throw in the towel in so many games last season as well. Personally I�d sooner chance going down attacking and getting stuck in rather than standing off teams and showing the big boys far too much respect

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