Well, I can't claim kinship with the Taliban....that's religious 7th century Arabic social conservativism....if you hadn't noticed it's quite a bit different from the western tradition.

As earlier debates have shown you write in support of Islam expanding here much more than I do. I would ban both male circumcision and halal meat.

You want to take in Afghan refugees.....when 99 percent of that country supports Sharia.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 9.19pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

How wonderfully idealistic.

Sadly, there is no doubt that how a woman interprets male advances is dictated by his perceived attractiveness or suitability.

It's also all very well to think that women should take no responsibility for dressing provocatively, but this just isn't real world stuff. A rapist doesn't care about your ideals.

I don't think Hrolf is saying that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 1.40am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You appear to be suggesting that women should think twice about what they wear in case rapists feel more inclined to rape them. I'll leave it to others to decide if that is a reasonable request.

If someone plans to rape a woman, I would think 'that' would be the root of the problem, rather than women not trying hard enough to placate them. You don't befriend rapists, you imprison them.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 3.40am)

Yeah, like I've been making this point for over a decade....but you think its wrong to talk about these issues because of a terrible event.

So....you do realise you're in a political forum don't you? What are you suggesting? That these points shouldn't be made? Nothing derogatory has been said and no defence made for this terrible murderer.

That overly long paragraph contains so many strawmen it could sit in a field and frighten away birds.

I simply didn't make those arguments but was referring to the excesses of feminist and alphabet ideologies and the affects they have had in attacking both masculinity and traditional male/female roles. Ultimately increasing the numbers of dysfunctional people within society.

You prefer to suggest that these observations are an attack on women and gays instead of what I actually said about political and social ideologies....because you are a big believer in the neo liberalism that propagates them. So an attack on them is perhaps an attack on your value system.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2021 4.50am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As stated you have compassion for the man, his situation, and seek to link it to a deeper dysfunction in society... which soon turn out to be (always) women who are essentially independent and industrious outside of the home and those who are of other sexualities and so on. Types you routinely centre in on and do not show such trademark 'compassion' for. I tend to think that with kid killers the buck stops with them, and that they aren't just a handy gateway to attacking completely innocent and decent members of society that you're not particularly keen on.

It's this kind of oft seen slant that has led you to drinking from political wells that clearly 99% of the general public would never touch. You seem to spend about ten minutes thinking of the ills of your own outlook and behaviour compared to the ten year mantra for other peoples. Probably for the best all things considered. You're so narrowly group based and detached from those you seek to lump into a separate steaming pile for entirely arbitrary reasons.

Your outlook skews and limits your perception of others in unhealthy ways, so ultimately you're the one losing out anyway. I would've thought the lesson of this horrendous incident is to not get caught up in such stark and largely imagined separations between people, whether it's gender based or whatever. Doing so certainly didn't do this man, or those around him, any favours.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Aug 2021 1.11pm)