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 Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 01 Sep 21 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
you know what…if somebody has been offered both jabs and wont have them (apart from medical reasons) then f*** ‘em they shouldnt be allowed into a confined enviroment like a football stadium. seems perfectly fair to me Seems perfectly fair to me too!
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TheBigToePunt  01 Sep 21 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Everyone is still ‘at risk’ or not ‘staying safe’ even with these vaccines. If you want to ‘stay safe’ and keep your loved ones safe then unless you wear an FFP3 mask I’m afraid you won’t be. But what you might do is put blame on others when you could get an FFP3 mask and know none of the other stuff matters to you and your loved ones. But let’s use it as a 21st century way to claim moral superiority while the opportunity is there rather than do something that is going to be certain of a result. Rudi, do you have any data on how much better those masks are? I must confess I wasn't aware they offered so much more than other preventative steps.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Sep 21 11.44pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Rudi, do you have any data on how much better those masks are? I must confess I wasn't aware they offered so much more than other preventative steps. 95-97% protection for the wearer. Cloth masks anything from zero to 20% possibly. But that’s for other, allegedly. A one way mask you’re still at close to highest risk from infection. Hmmm.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Sep 21 11.57pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Everyone is still ‘at risk’ or not ‘staying safe’ even with these vaccines. If you want to ‘stay safe’ and keep your loved ones safe then unless you wear an FFP3 mask I’m afraid you won’t be. But what you might do is put blame on others when you could get an FFP3 mask and know none of the other stuff matters to you and your loved ones. But let’s use it as a 21st century way to claim moral superiority while the opportunity is there rather than do something that is going to be certain of a result. Rudi, FFP masks are for dust. Even FFP3 will not stop a microbe. I'm not saying they are useless, but to eliminate the potential of contracting a virus, you need to do more than wear a FFP3 mask. A particle of dust that is filtered by these masks is at least 100 times larger than any germs known. It's like trying to stop water with a sieve. Masks are a crutch that helps people feel safe.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Sep 21 12.12am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Rudi, FFP masks are for dust. Even FFP3 will not stop a microbe. I'm not saying they are useless, but to eliminate the potential of contracting a virus, you need to do more than wear a FFP3 mask. A particle of dust that is filtered by these masks is at least 100 times larger than any germs known. It's like trying to stop water with a sieve. Masks are a crutch that helps people feel safe. NHS staff have been wearing them in Covid ICU for 18 months.
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| Tickled pink Cornwall 02 Sep 21 12.19am |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
That's deeply unconvincing to be honest. It's a partial vaccine that you take to protect you and, crucially (though you seem to miss the point) others. I think all we fully know and understand about this virus to date is that by having the vaccine an individuals chances of becoming extremely ill is significantly reduced, information about the spreading load of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated is still inconclusive due to the shortness of time.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 02 Sep 21 12.19am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
NHS staff have been wearing them in Covid ICU for 18 months. Cool. Nice profit for the manufacturer. Like I said, it's a crutch for those who feel at risk. Research virus and microbe protection. You need to have a full biohazard suit, with personal respirator to eliminate risk of infection from microscopic organisms.
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BlueJay  UK 02 Sep 21 5.47am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Cool. Nice profit for the manufacturer. Like I said, it's a crutch for those who feel at risk. Research virus and microbe protection. You need to have a full biohazard suit, with personal respirator to eliminate risk of infection from microscopic organisms. FFP3 masks are not only 'for dust' and claiming that NHS staff only wear them for 'profit for manufacturers' is an unfounded and irrational conspiracy theory. By your publicly stated views vaccines are 'unsafe' (including the one you yourself had) and FFP3 masks a a 'crutch' that makes little difference. Nobody said they eliminate risk, but there's certain more than enough out that to indicate that they significantly reduce it. Wearing masks incorrectly can of course be a problem (though a perfectly avoidable one), though case in point there are multiple FFP3 'respirator' studies eliminating that issue which demonstrate a near if not 100% protection even in actual covid wards. A rather unusual level of success for something that apparently does very little.
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| BlueJay UK 02 Sep 21 5.53am |
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Originally posted by rikz
Tho it's not a vaccine is it, scientists have already said it'll be impossible to achieve herd immunity due to the speed it mutates, it'll be a seasonal jab like the flu, it's not going anywhere, it's here to stay, if you're old or high risk and you don't get the jab then that's stupidity. I have a polio vaccine, I couldn't care less who else has it as I'm safe. Its been sensationalised by the press and has been politicised by governments. If it was as deadly as people make out you wouldn't have to bribe people to get it. Tbh I do think enough time has passed now that anyone who wants to get vaccinated has been, so there is something to be said for people making up their own minds. That said, your statement in bold is odd. There is such a thing as community, and not only thinking about yourself. Obviously covid is a different animal, but surely polio was only all but wiped out due to uptake being so wide. Not just looking out for number one.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 02 Sep 21 7.57am |
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Anyway, back to the OP. This is a requirement from the Premier League, in advance of government legislation coming in at the end of September (announced back in July). The one I can't understand is the (ELP) insistence on season tickets being on your phone rather than an physical ticket. Is this to do away with people sharing season tickets?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Sep 21 8.19am |
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Originally posted by topcat
Anyway, back to the OP. This is a requirement from the Premier League, in advance of government legislation coming in at the end of September (announced back in July). The one I can't understand is the (ELP) insistence on season tickets being on your phone rather than an physical ticket. Is this to do away with people sharing season tickets? I have some sympathy with the clubs over sharing. I have no problem with somebody lending their ticket to a friend if they can't make the game we've all done it. However if you take that to the extreme touts will be buying up scores of season tickets and then selling individual games whilst real fans would not be able to get a ticket. Not an easy one to regulate.
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| MrRobbo Purley 02 Sep 21 9.48am |
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I suspect, like everything it will have something to do with money. I'd assume then season tickets all have to go through the official resell. Which would be a right pain, for anyone who shares season tickets....sure there will be a work around
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