It reduces your chance of catching and spreading the virus.

People keep saying that 'you can still get it' and using the fact that it doesn't stop 100% of people getting it to show that, but these two pieces of information are clearly very different. No-one is saying that it's impossible for people to catch and spread the virus post vaccination, it is however less likely at time where their immune response is high due to it.

Yes, there's not much sense to that. Really once vaccinated that's as good as it's going to get, and so if they won't associate with unvaccinated people, they appear to be saying that they are never in their lives going to do so. Best to just get on with things. A combo of vaccination and natural infection can't be bad; hiding away won't help anyone.

A vaccine reduces the chances of you getting COVID-19 (the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2). The vaccine enables the majority of those exposed to the virus to fight it, so instead of it multiplying in the body and them getting COVID-19 and becoming contagious, the virus dies.

As the majority of those vaccinated when exposed to the virus do not get COVID-19, they cannot pass the virus on to anyone, so the vaccine reduces the chances of others getting COVID-19, as it reduces the chances of those exposed being contagious.

More mixing by vaccinated may increase transmission risk, specifically for those the vaccine has not worked as effectively on, but this increase is low compared to if there was no vaccine or if similar numbers of unvaccinated were mixing (so using it as an argument against the vaccine would just be stupid).
Only 65% of the UK population are fully vaccinated.
The majority of those becoming seriously ill and dying with COVID-19 are those who are not fully vaccinated.

So simply the vaccine:
- reduces the chances of those exposed to the virus catching COVID-19;
- reduces the chances of those exposed to the virus becoming contagious and passing it on to others, so reduces the chances of others catching COVID-19;
- reduces the chances of those who catch COVID-19 becoming seriously ill;
- reduces the chances of those who catch COVID-19 dying.

The vaccine helps protects both those who are vaccinated and those around them; adults not having the vaccine without good medical cause is not only stupid, it is also selfish. The case for children is more nuanced and balanced, because for most of them COVID-19 is not a serious illness. But what has to be considered is the consequences for others if COVID-19 becomes widespread amongst children (which is why many countries are vaccinating the under 18s and why we probably will go the same way).

bottom lime is no one should be in hospital... the smokers, the drinkers, the druggies... the obese, the diabetic... the suidicals, millions of deaths, preventable...

you cut that down by half, the health care system frees up so much in terms of space, budget, space..

TB kills 2.5 million annually.... spreads the same way as covid, kills pretty much the same way.. are countries like India on the no fly list....

honestly, at this point people aren't gunny hang their mind... that's fine, but look after yourself, it's no one elses responsibility.

This was once a quality forum....

Israel is in accordance with the fact the vaccine reduces the chances of catching COVID-19.
It has one of the highest level of vaccinated people (60% of population fully vaccinated, 80% of adults) and amongst the lowest levels of restrictions on movement.
The vaccine reduces (but does not eliminate) the chances of getting COVID-19, it also reduces the chances of those who catch it becoming seriously ill or dying. Israel has low restrictions and so more mixing and more COVID-19 cases. Currently it has more people with COVID-19 than it has had at any other time (but if it did not have the high level vaccinated, this would be considerably higher). Also the death rate is less than half it was at the peak at the beginning of the year (before their vaccine program).

I asked for statistical evidence for what was said and received none. I just had stuff restated. For me, that's going around in circles, but whatever....but I'll say if what I actually said (not what some seem to want me to have said) was factually wrong and that can be shown then I'd have learnt something and I'd be grafeful.

As for your last paragraph, well, I completely disagree with you on that, outside of working with the vulnerable: It's also important to state that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2021 11.21pm)

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