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  Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 21 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Their point of view was given enough dominance to result in leaving the EU regardless of any perceived BBC bias. The reasons why that happened are significantly more complicated, and reprehensible, than the way things were handled by the broadcasters. We have covered those many times.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 21 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am pretty contented, that's true, but that's not due to being reassured by those on the margins disagreeing with me. Not enough of them, in the world at large, to make much difference. That they band together in the small places like this, in which they can confirm their biases, can lead them into the false belief that their views are mainstream. I might be outnumbered here, but in the real world I am part of the majority, whose political leanings are only mildly left or right and who agree about the bigger issues. You keep telling yourself that old man. That is why we got Brexit, the Tories with a massive majority and why the Democrats had to stir up race riots, commandeer almost the entire media and rig votes to get rid of Donald Trump. You're just another deluded Lefty.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 21 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are boring. There is no coming back from the utter deluded contradictory twaddle you have posted today. That you are either unwilling, or incapable, of understanding the differences I have identified, but prefer to remain in your deep groove of prejudice, is not my responsibility. It seems to me that you consider any argument that doesn't match your preconceptions as "twaddle"!
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 21 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you are either unwilling, or incapable, of understanding the differences I have identified, but prefer to remain in your deep groove of prejudice, is not my responsibility. It seems to me that you consider any argument that doesn't match your preconceptions as "twaddle"! No, I consider twaddle to be twaddle. You are the king of twaddle.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Sep 21 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You keep telling yourself that old man. That is why we got Brexit, the Tories with a massive majority and why the Democrats had to stir up race riots, commandeer almost the entire media and rig votes to get rid of Donald Trump. You're just another deluded Lefty. I don't have to tell myself anything. It's a verifiable truth. Which will likely be confirmed sooner than later by the demise of GB News. That's not the reason we got either Brexit, or a Tory landslide. Only simpletons think like that. It was an unfortunate collision of events, poor government and worse opposition that produced both. The electorate were just the means to an end. Getting rid of Trump, by what ever means necessary, was a political expedient. However, none of the things you assert were either needed, or done. Trump did for himself all that was needed.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 21 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't have to tell myself anything. It's a verifiable truth. Which will likely be confirmed sooner than later by the demise of GB News. That's not the reason we got either Brexit, or a Tory landslide. Only simpletons think like that. It was an unfortunate collision of events, poor government and worse opposition that produced both. The electorate were just the means to an end. Getting rid of Trump, by what ever means necessary, was a political expedient. However, none of the things you assert were either needed, or done. Trump did for himself all that was needed. Loony alert.
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Teddy Eagle  08 Sep 21 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The reasons why that happened are significantly more complicated, and reprehensible, than the way things were handled by the broadcasters. We have covered those many times. Not my point. Those who voted for Brexit would rather have Brexit than any amount of BBC confirmation.
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| Pembroke Bristol 08 Sep 21 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, it isn't just me. Ofcom and the BBC Board are charged with ensuring it meets its mission. Which includes "The Board must uphold and protect the independence of the BBC and make its decisions in the public interest." I provided a reference yesterday from the "New Statesman", which is a serious political magazine, which said much the same. Show me where it was "proven" to be biased over Brexit! That this is a commonly held opinion, repeatedly asserted as if it was fact, does not make it true. It simply means people don't like it when their point of view isn't given the dominance they think it deserves. Show me any study that indicated the BBC represented equally consistently those who supported Brexit on its programmes? Remainers were consistently the majority over months. This was a dominance. As a Labour voter who did not vote UKIP, Brexit party I can accept the evidence that was presented as facts in the media. I could also view it to confirm further a totally lop side support for remain, fair representation became a rarity.
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 08 Sep 21 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't have to tell myself anything. It's a verifiable truth. Which will likely be confirmed sooner than later by the demise of GB News. That's not the reason we got either Brexit, or a Tory landslide. Only simpletons think like that. It was an unfortunate collision of events, poor government and worse opposition that produced both. The electorate were just the means to an end. Getting rid of Trump, by what ever means necessary, was a political expedient. However, none of the things you assert were either needed, or done. Trump did for himself all that was needed.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Sep 21 4.33pm |
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Gather together? This guy talks so much waffle he could sell a line of them to Tescos. We aren't young pups, green from a lack of life experience....those tend to be on the left. My opinions come grounded from actual practical experience, not wishful thinking....I'm bounded to an interest in truth over convenient lies. Even if that's not a position that will always repay you well. After a while, people get a sense of personalities on Hol and who amongst us are willing to be honest and those amongst us who are fallacious sophists, willing to knowingly obfuscate and bend narratives to suit. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2021 4.34pm)
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| Teddy Eagle 08 Sep 21 4.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Gather together? This guy talks so much waffle he could sell a line of them to Tescos. We aren't young pups, green from a lack of life experience....those tend to be on the left. My opinions come grounded from actual practical experience, not wishful thinking....I'm bounded to an interest in truth over convenient lies. Even if that's not a position that will always repay you well. After a while, people get a sense of personalities on Hol and who amongst us are willing to be honest and those amongst us who are fallacious sophists, willing to knowingly obfuscate and bend narratives to suit. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2021 4.34pm) Fallacious sophists sound like people Jeannette Winterson would write about.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Sep 21 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Fallacious sophists sound like people Jeannette Winterson would write about. I miss Tom Sharpe. Laugh out loud in his heyday.
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