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cryrst The garden of England 18 Sep 21 5.26am
Originally posted by croydon proud I understand exactly how you feel HK, watching the country go down the pan, pubs shutting early, take aways having no chicken, does put a wry smile on my face, knowing those people who would partake in those institutions are the ones most responsible for their demise! This is the very same government that gave you the ability to earn a fortune, buy houses, rent them out and virtually retire at 50 odd years old. Without chasing you for your wealth which corbyn and labour would and will do if they get power. A bit of irony in many of your posts when that's put in as a factor.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Sep 21 5.26am

Originally posted by croydon proud

I understand exactly how you feel HK, watching the country go down the pan, pubs shutting early, take aways having no chicken, does put a wry smile on my face, knowing those people who would partake in those institutions are the ones most responsible for their demise!

This is the very same government that gave you the ability to earn a fortune, buy houses, rent them out and virtually retire at 50 odd years old. Without chasing you for your wealth which corbyn and labour would and will do if they get power. A bit of irony in many of your posts when that's put in as a factor.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Sep 21 6.48am
Change the tax laws for corporations by all means. If there is a wealth tax your assets would be taxed three times, on salary, wealth and inheritance. That can't be right, crack down on the Panama Papers brigade, start with virtue signalling hypocrite Lineker. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 18 Sep 21 6.48am

Change the tax laws for corporations by all means.

If there is a wealth tax your assets would be taxed three times, on salary, wealth and inheritance.

That can't be right, crack down on the Panama Papers brigade, start with virtue signalling hypocrite Lineker.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Sep 21 7.41am
Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home. Somehow I don't think this is a vote winner, for the average person it means doubling what you pay now. I'm not bothered about the super rich paying more but it will really hit middle England and especially the south. If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 18 Sep 21 7.41am

Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home.

Somehow I don't think this is a vote winner, for the average person it means doubling what you pay now. I'm not bothered about the super rich paying more but it will really hit middle England and especially the south.

If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in.

One more point

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.46pm
Originally posted by HKOwen CP, I don't see the country going down the pan but some of the measures taken to fight the pandemic have been in hindsight plain silly. Talking of hindsight, have yet to see any opposition MP come up with alternatives to the strategy. It's easy to bleat but but if no alternative idea then they should STFU. The measures in UK pale compared to what we have here now. Masks are compulsory almost everywhere, you can remove in a pub or restaurant once seated but for example, if you are in a buffet you must wear the mask when you go to get food. F and B staff have to be vaccinated and tested once a week. Depending on what hours the venue wants to open, if a late to 2 am they can only have vaccinated customers after midnight. Recently a pub was checked and had one unvaccinated customer, they were punished by having to close at 6 pm for the next 14 days. If you fail to scan your tracking and trace QR code entering a place you will be fined £500 , no debate. TBH, no one here minds wearing a mask, we have had the nightmare of SARS before. Regardless of what politically motivated non maskers say, some protection is better than nothing. Also people have have a culture of wearing masks because of pollution or if they have a cold. The issue here that is most frustrating is even if you are double jabbed, if you travel outside HK when you return you are forced to do 14/21 days quarantine in Govt sanctioned hotel which is very expensive and in limited supply. This is unlikely to change until possibly the end of March so the many people who wanted to spend Xmas in UK are fooked, as are families with kids studying in UK. I was hoping to be back from mid December, now looks more like March. At least we can meet up now to watch Palace 3pm games, but when the clocks change we're screwed as games will finish 1am here and pubs will close at midnight. No exactly about Starmer but hey ho Edited by HKOwen (18 Sep 2021 12.36am) Back for good HK?
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Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.46pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

CP, I don't see the country going down the pan but some of the measures taken to fight the pandemic have been in hindsight plain silly. Talking of hindsight, have yet to see any opposition MP come up with alternatives to the strategy. It's easy to bleat but but if no alternative idea then they should STFU.

The measures in UK pale compared to what we have here now.

Masks are compulsory almost everywhere, you can remove in a pub or restaurant once seated but for example, if you are in a buffet you must wear the mask when you go to get food.

F and B staff have to be vaccinated and tested once a week.

Depending on what hours the venue wants to open, if a late to 2 am they can only have vaccinated customers after midnight.

Recently a pub was checked and had one unvaccinated customer, they were punished by having to close at 6 pm for the next 14 days.

If you fail to scan your tracking and trace QR code entering a place you will be fined £500 , no debate.

TBH, no one here minds wearing a mask, we have had the nightmare of SARS before. Regardless of what politically motivated non maskers say, some protection is better than nothing. Also people have have a culture of wearing masks because of pollution or if they have a cold.

The issue here that is most frustrating is even if you are double jabbed, if you travel outside HK when you return you are forced to do 14/21 days quarantine in Govt sanctioned hotel which is very expensive and in limited supply.

This is unlikely to change until possibly the end of March so the many people who wanted to spend Xmas in UK are fooked, as are families with kids studying in UK.

I was hoping to be back from mid December, now looks more like March.

At least we can meet up now to watch Palace 3pm games, but when the clocks change we're screwed as games will finish 1am here and pubs will close at midnight.

No exactly about Starmer but hey ho

Edited by HKOwen (18 Sep 2021 12.36am)

Back for good HK?

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.50pm
Originally posted by cryrst This is the very same government that gave you the ability to earn a fortune, buy houses, rent them out and virtually retire at 50 odd years old. Without chasing you for your wealth which corbyn and labour would and will do if they get power. A bit of irony in many of your posts when that's put in as a factor. Some of the same gov mate, we had 12 years of labour in my money grafting days to, but this is the same gov that ruined my job-the pm, chancellor and London mayor(bojo). All water under the bridge, but has to be said!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.50pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Some of the same gov mate, we had 12 years of labour in my money grafting days to, but this is the same gov that ruined my job-the pm, chancellor and London mayor(bojo). All water under the bridge, but has to be said!

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Sep 21 11.53pm
Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where? Originally posted by croydon proud Back for good HK? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Sep 21 11.53pm

Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where?

Originally posted by croydon proud

Back for good HK?

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.54pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home. Somehow I don't think this is a vote winner, for the average person it means doubling what you pay now. I'm not bothered about the super rich paying more but it will really hit middle England and especially the south. If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in. It certainly doesn"t fill me with optimism, this bunch of keystone cops, or play fair keir, to scared to attack them and play dirty! I might never vote again for a main party- just one of those fringe parties that might have one agenda you believe in, but have no chance of getting in.
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour think tank proposing abolishing the council tax and replacing it with a tax based on 0.5% of the current value of your home.

If Starmer adopts this as a policy the Tories are guaranteed to get in.

It certainly doesn"t fill me with optimism, this bunch of keystone cops, or play fair keir, to scared to attack them and play dirty! I might never vote again for a main party- just one of those fringe parties that might have one agenda you believe in, but have no chance of getting in.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.57pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where? You said you were trying to get back for December but probably march now?
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 19 Sep 21 11.57pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Hello CP, not sure what you mean . Back where?

You said you were trying to get back for December but probably march now?

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HKOwen Hong Kong 20 Sep 21 12.07am
Labour and Lib Dems both now in conference time are spending lots of time and bandwidth on how to deal with members and MP's who don't give in to the aggressive trans lobby. This may well become an additional millstone around Labour's neck with the ongoing anti semitism of Burgon and the JC acolytes. The Rosie Duffield case as an example. The Greens have some good ideas on the environment but for me much of their other policy basket is student politics. With all that we have a govt that made some baffling cabinet appointments but at least now things seem to be improving on that front with exit of Hancock and Williamson and the moving of Raab. Am quite happy having the ineffectual Starmer in charge. Edited by HKOwen (20 Sep 2021 1.29am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 20 Sep 21 12.07am

Labour and Lib Dems both now in conference time are spending lots of time and bandwidth on how to deal with members and MP's who don't give in to the aggressive trans lobby. This may well become an additional millstone around Labour's neck with the ongoing anti semitism of Burgon and the JC acolytes.

The Rosie Duffield case as an example.

The Greens have some good ideas on the environment but for me much of their other policy basket is student politics.

With all that we have a govt that made some baffling cabinet appointments but at least now things seem to be improving on that front with exit of Hancock and Williamson and the moving of Raab.

Am quite happy having the ineffectual Starmer in charge.

Edited by HKOwen (20 Sep 2021 1.29am)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 20 Sep 21 12.12am
Oh yes, just for a visit. I like Xmas in the UK, Palace games squashed together over end December and early January. Only chance I get to wear my Del Boy sheepskin. We have moved STs from Arthur to Upper Holmesdale and looking forward to using those for the first time. Originally posted by croydon proud You said you were trying to get back for December but probably march now? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 20 Sep 21 12.12am

Oh yes, just for a visit.

I like Xmas in the UK, Palace games squashed together over end December and early January.

Only chance I get to wear my Del Boy sheepskin.

We have moved STs from Arthur to Upper Holmesdale and looking forward to using those for the first time.

Originally posted by croydon proud

You said you were trying to get back for December but probably march now?

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 20 Sep 21 12.19am
Originally posted by HKOwen Oh yes, just for a visit. I like Xmas in the UK, Palace games squashed together over end December and early January. Only chance I get to wear my Del Boy sheepskin. We have moved STs from Arthur to Upper Holmesdale and looking forward to using those for the first time. Nice, yeah, few games over the christmas holiday, if you come over in march , you might as well hang on till may, for the fa cup final!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 20 Sep 21 12.19am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Oh yes, just for a visit.

I like Xmas in the UK, Palace games squashed together over end December and early January.

Only chance I get to wear my Del Boy sheepskin.

We have moved STs from Arthur to Upper Holmesdale and looking forward to using those for the first time.

Nice, yeah, few games over the christmas holiday, if you come over in march , you might as well hang on till may, for the fa cup final!

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HKOwen Hong Kong 20 Sep 21 1.28am
Good point there Originally posted by croydon proud Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 20 Sep 21 1.28am

Good point there

Originally posted by croydon proud

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