You used yourself as an example, then asked me a question about said experience, and then accuse me of focusing on you? Seriously?

Can you explain how I have stereotyped anyone or put them in a box?

it’s interesting that your upbringing went that way and your views have ended up where they are - it’s hardly ridiculous to think there is a correlation between the two.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Sep 2021 2.10pm)

Perhaps he was murdered in a largely white area, Eltham, on his way home?

Norris was caught on police surveillance stating:

"If I was going to kill myself do you know what I'd do? I'd go and kill every black, every P***, every mug, every copper that I know.

“I'd go down to Catford and places like that with two submachine guns and I'm telling you I'd take one of them. Skin the black alive, mate. Torture him, set him alight.

“I'd blow their two legs and arms off and say: ‘Go on, you can swim home now.”

He had also previously shouted n***** when throwing a drink at an off duty police officer down the same street that Lawrence was murdered, and linked to previous knife attacks. Even in the weeks previous another black teenager and his white girlfriend claimed that they had been approached by Dobson and Neil and that they brandished a knife.

Proving something was a racist attack clearly isn't a formality, though the version of events of the person with Lawrence (who says he was called a racial slut before being attacked) very much tallies with what is known about the attackers characters and behaviour. What looks like inferring that either Lawrence was looking to buy drugs or got on the wrong side of drug dealers so they killed him would need 'something' to back it up. Do you know something that points towards this being what happened?

'story i've heard' and 'definitely wasn't' aren't a good fit. Of course anyone murdered for any reason is terrible (race related or otherwise), but just because this event is culturally viewed in a specific way it doesn't follow that we have to counter it with versions of events that hold far less weight than what is already known about those involved. So far we've had a drug deal gone bad type scanario, and getting targeted because the mate sexually assaulted someones gf. Some of those involved in the attack have form for both extremely racist, as well as violent behaviour. We don't need to contrive or believe versions of events where the victim or victims somehow simply had to be in part responsible for the events of that night when there is zero proof of that.

Edited by BlueJay (23 Sep 2021 7.21pm)

I suppose that your logic here is that because many Palace players are black there is no racism in football? I think you know that this is an argument so weak it might have trouble standing up.

Suppose I were to say that as many people of colour work in the NHS this is clear evidence that the organisation is free of racism and that they will not have experienced prejudice and discrimination. Just because people are employed does not mean that they will be able to work untroubled by discrimination.

The generation of workers that were actively recruited by the NHS and London Transport to come and work in the UK have and still do experience racism every daily. If you speak to them they will tell you what they are experiencing, is that not sufficient evidence that racism continues to be a problem in our society?