Back on topic, so often derailed by the same old bore

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Well worth a watch whether you're a fan of cricket or not. Essential if you're a fan of intellect and the beauty (in the right hands, certain posters take note) of the english language. Post-Rafiq, so that is referenced.

5.00 > 49:00 for Fry.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

That is what you have been made to accept. People make a decision to be insulted. It does not come about by some magical spell.

I will never be persuaded that one insult is different to another, but clearly for some, the desire to take offence at mere words is greater than others. It's also about the circumstances in which this language occurs.

I thought people make a decision to be insulted? Surely if you’re reducing language to an irrelevance where words don’t contain any emotion or meaning then white people shouldn’t be offended either right?

Your argument is so warped and not grounded in any reality.

No, in the end it doesn't make you stronger. Had you properly listened to Mr Rafiq's well made points that would have been clear to you. It has a slow leaching effect on your confidence and is especially pernicious as it just keeps on coming but at a low level so it's hard to call it out. But you know this as it is what you do. Always looking for an opportunity to criticise the 'other' but only one yellow card so far.

This I cannot argue with. It is a different experience for everyone, one presumes.
Certainly being bullied is not a great experience for anyone and I have often thought about how nice it would be to see bullies get their comeuppance. Fortunately, most of us can move on from unpleasant experiences and rise above them.

On another subject. Why are you talking about yellow cards? I don't think that the moderating of this site is your business or mine.

Everyone seems to be missing the real question here which is what is trying to be achieved out of all this?

Do they want to close down sporting clubs because they consider them institutionally racist?

Do they want an apology?

Do they want money?

What is the actual recompense for something that happened 10, 15 years ago and is now being brought to light?

Does this mean that any sportsperson that was abused at school, at college, at club or international level now be entitled to take former friends or colleagues to court because they say they were abused?

Who does this right to take someone to court work for, just the already relatively rich ones who have Sky's support and a platform to promote or does it truly mean that all people can now take themselves off to court and seek compensation of one sort or another?

Lots of questions, very few answers. The cynic in me says this is purely about money but it would be refreshing to see Rafiq stand up and say he doesn't want any money out of this and he just wants an apology. After all, there is little else that can realistically expect when you talk of historic acts such as these.

As an aside trying to get into the Yorkshire cricket team was virtually impossible for anyone white, black, brown or in between until relatively recently unless you were born in Yorkshire. Everyone who played cricket knows this. They did relax the rules, but it was a well known fact. Not sure this point has any real bearing on what happened with Rafiq but worth bearing in mind. I am not sure how the real truth will be decided upon given it is hearsay.

The burden of proof with regard to evidence to provide the exact words and timings of those words will become a legal nightmare to prove one way or another. Also I'm not really sure what outcome the investigation is seeking, perhaps someone can enlighten me.