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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 29 Nov 21 4.04pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I did used to go over on the boat. Ha, yes,it could be a tad choppy to!. I remember going over about 30 years ago from Hollyhead, night crossing, it was as choppy as possible without turning the boat over! Got to Ireland, and saw on the news a bloke windsurfing in Liverpool got blown out to sea and ended up in Dublin- he was out there all night to, no idea how he did it!
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Any european country i fancy! 29 Nov 21 4.04pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I did used to go over on the boat.

Ha, yes,it could be a tad choppy to!. I remember going over about 30 years ago from Hollyhead, night crossing, it was as choppy as possible without turning the boat over! Got to Ireland, and saw on the news a bloke windsurfing in Liverpool got blown out to sea and ended up in Dublin- he was out there all night to, no idea how he did it!

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Matov 29 Nov 21 4.08pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It is looking like the migrants may have called for help before drowning and were refused by both countries. That would surely be against maritime law as well as appalling and unconscionable. My understanding, and I am more than happy to be corrected on this, was that the dingy was within French territorial waters when it started to sink. But happy to be put right on that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Nov 21 4.08pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is looking like the migrants may have called for help before drowning and were refused by both countries.

That would surely be against maritime law as well as appalling and unconscionable.

My understanding, and I am more than happy to be corrected on this, was that the dingy was within French territorial waters when it started to sink.

But happy to be put right on that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov 29 Nov 21 4.10pm
From what I have just been able to make out, the boat may well have been in international waters. So yes, if calls for help were ignored, then we are in a different situation. It does all seem a little vague. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Nov 21 4.10pm

From what I have just been able to make out, the boat may well have been in international waters. So yes, if calls for help were ignored, then we are in a different situation. It does all seem a little vague.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov 29 Nov 21 4.15pm
Again, happy to be corrected but from what I can make out, the French authorities are the ones taking the lead in terms of the criminal investigation. Map on the BBC seems to indicate the sinking took place almost half-way between the UK and France but the reports all seem to say 'just north of Calais'. A mixed picture. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Nov 21 4.15pm

Again, happy to be corrected but from what I can make out, the French authorities are the ones taking the lead in terms of the criminal investigation. Map on the BBC seems to indicate the sinking took place almost half-way between the UK and France but the reports all seem to say 'just north of Calais'.

A mixed picture.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Nov 21 4.23pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Yes, many other European countries are 'nearly there' but the UK hasn't been pulling its weight at all and the numbers clearly show that fact. What does � nearly there� mean? They haven�t been pulling their weight up until now? Will they ever? You don�t seem to want to criticise your beloved EU countries just the UK
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Horsham 29 Nov 21 4.23pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Yes, many other European countries are 'nearly there' but the UK hasn't been pulling its weight at all and the numbers clearly show that fact.

What does � nearly there� mean? They haven�t been pulling their weight up until now? Will they ever? You don�t seem to want to criticise your beloved EU countries just the UK

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Nov 21 4.26pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It is looking like the migrants may have called for help before drowning and were refused by both countries. That would surely be against maritime law as well as appalling and unconscionable. This is true but personally I have doubts that they would have been ignored ( certainly hope not) will we ever no the trut? I doubt it
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Horsham 29 Nov 21 4.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is looking like the migrants may have called for help before drowning and were refused by both countries.

That would surely be against maritime law as well as appalling and unconscionable.

This is true but personally I have doubts that they would have been ignored ( certainly hope not) will we ever no the trut? I doubt it

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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Nov 21 4.55pm
Originally posted by Matov From what I have just been able to make out, the boat may well have been in international waters. So yes, if calls for help were ignored, then we are in a different situation. It does all seem a little vague. France and England each have 12 miles of territorial waters. However the Channel is only 24 miles wide anyway so practically it cannot be separated by international waters of any substance. I think both countries would stop you in each others waters, are (or were) in partnership in defence and these matters. However, since brexit, and now with this, watch this space.
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Croydon 29 Nov 21 4.55pm

Originally posted by Matov

France and England each have 12 miles of territorial waters.

However the Channel is only 24 miles wide anyway so practically it cannot be separated by international waters of any substance.

I think both countries would stop you in each others waters, are (or were) in partnership in defence and these matters.

However, since brexit, and now with this, watch this space.

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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Nov 21 5.00pm
Originally posted by Spiderman This is true but personally I have doubts that they would have been ignored ( certainly hope not) will we ever no the trut? I doubt it What is the current location of the survivors mobile phone, it will have the record. In making this claim, he is also saying the smugglers are out to kill him.
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Croydon 29 Nov 21 5.00pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

This is true but personally I have doubts that they would have been ignored ( certainly hope not) will we ever no the trut? I doubt it

What is the current location of the survivors mobile phone, it will have the record.

In making this claim, he is also saying the smugglers are out to kill him.

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Matov 29 Nov 21 5.10pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 France and England each have 12 miles of territorial waters. However the Channel is only 24 miles wide anyway so practically it cannot be separated by international waters of any substance. I think both countries would stop you in each others waters, are (or were) in partnership in defence and these matters. However, since brexit, and now with this, watch this space. Not sure Brexit made any difference what so ever. All I do know is that photographs of French police watching on as the boat was launched does tend to indicate that at least the French knew it was in the water where as the Brits, who are willing to patrol jointly with the French but are denied, had zero idea. The people on the boat rang the French first. Who allegedly declined to help. Only then did they ring the British. Which seems to indicate to me that those on board considered the French the closer. The reports all seem to say that the boat was just north of Calais. The French are investigating it as a criminal matter (shame they never thought to do so earlier on) so it seems that the primary duty of care lay with France. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Nov 21 5.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

France and England each have 12 miles of territorial waters.

However the Channel is only 24 miles wide anyway so practically it cannot be separated by international waters of any substance.

I think both countries would stop you in each others waters, are (or were) in partnership in defence and these matters.

However, since brexit, and now with this, watch this space.

Not sure Brexit made any difference what so ever. All I do know is that photographs of French police watching on as the boat was launched does tend to indicate that at least the French knew it was in the water where as the Brits, who are willing to patrol jointly with the French but are denied, had zero idea.

The people on the boat rang the French first. Who allegedly declined to help. Only then did they ring the British. Which seems to indicate to me that those on board considered the French the closer.

The reports all seem to say that the boat was just north of Calais. The French are investigating it as a criminal matter (shame they never thought to do so earlier on) so it seems that the primary duty of care lay with France.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Nov 21 5.16pm
France now saying they will not accept Patel's push-back operations. Without their co-operation they cannot go ahead. To the relief of the BF staff members who are joining legal action against it.
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Croydon 29 Nov 21 5.16pm

France now saying they will not accept Patel's push-back operations.

Without their co-operation they cannot go ahead.

To the relief of the BF staff members who are joining legal action against it.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Nov 21 5.33pm
and now we are onto the blame game. if somebody slit her wrists, do you blame the ambulance crew if she dies ? the British government did not put those refugees onto that dinghy. Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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and now we are onto the blame game.

if somebody slit her wrists, do you blame the ambulance crew if she dies ?

the British government did not put those refugees onto that dinghy.

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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palace99 New Mills 29 Nov 21 5.36pm
Originally posted by mars The question should be why WONT the French have you seen how long the French coast is? It's not like they are all crossing from Calais. Ultimately if people are desperate, and most of them are, they will always find a point to cross. It is impossible to police such a large coast line
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New Mills 29 Nov 21 5.36pm

Originally posted by mars

The question should be why WONT the French

have you seen how long the French coast is? It's not like they are all crossing from Calais.

Ultimately if people are desperate, and most of them are, they will always find a point to cross. It is impossible to police such a large coast line

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