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Tickled pink Cornwall 05 Dec 21 7.26pm
Originally posted by PatrickA But Ayew didn't score, as he hasn't supposedly in around the last 30 odd games. To apply this logic you might as well say Ayew cost us 2 points v Brighton as we would have beaten them if Ayew had taken his chance. It's futile to refer to what might have been. Furthermore, we were not unlucky v Villa and deserved to lose against an average side on the day. It's perfectly legitimate to question our recent performances rather than look for weak excuses and be told to 'get a grip.' It is after all a game of opinions and being a supporter doesn't mean not being able to question recent performances or Ayew's goalscoring record. A certain manager had come in against us with Villa as the same today and it creates a lift as you know and I wouldn't ever class Villa as average. Our position in the table is one I didn't expect, I really thought we'd be struggling this season to keep out of the bottom three and have been pleasantly surprised with the players we now have and the football which is being implemented, to say the things many fans have been saying is quite freighting when considering everything that's happened so far, yes our last three defeats looks bad but they could've quite easily have been three draws so I'm not too bothered especially when also considering we could've easily prevented two of those losses with a little more competence and concentration which can also be fixed in our new training facilities ..another thing I wasn't expecting.
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Tickled pink

Cornwall 05 Dec 21 7.26pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

But Ayew didn't score, as he hasn't supposedly in around the last 30 odd games.
To apply this logic you might as well say Ayew cost us 2 points v Brighton as we would have beaten them if Ayew had taken his chance. It's futile to refer to what might have been.
Furthermore, we were not unlucky v Villa and deserved to lose against an average side on the day.
It's perfectly legitimate to question our recent performances rather than look for weak excuses and be told to 'get a grip.'
It is after all a game of opinions and being a supporter doesn't mean not being able to question recent performances or Ayew's goalscoring record.

A certain manager had come in against us with Villa as the same today and it creates a lift as you know and I wouldn't ever class Villa as average.
Our position in the table is one I didn't expect, I really thought we'd be struggling this season to keep out of the bottom three and have been pleasantly surprised with the players we now have and the football which is being implemented, to say the things many fans have been saying is quite freighting when considering everything that's happened so far, yes our last three defeats looks bad but they could've quite easily have been three draws so I'm not too bothered especially when also considering we could've easily prevented two of those losses with a little more competence and concentration which can also be fixed in our new training facilities ..another thing I wasn't expecting.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 05 Dec 21 7.32pm
Originally posted by ATL Eagle Kouyat�. I love him, and he loves Palace. But he is playing Royball. Can PV teach him to turn with the ball and look to play it forwards? If not, he has to go too. He shouldn't be played in the middle, he should be played at the back.
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Cornwall 05 Dec 21 7.32pm

Originally posted by ATL Eagle

Kouyat�. I love him, and he loves Palace. But he is playing Royball. Can PV teach him to turn with the ball and look to play it forwards? If not, he has to go too.

He shouldn't be played in the middle, he should be played at the back.

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sprites Auckland 05 Dec 21 7.35pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink He shouldn't be played in the middle, he should be played at the back. Really? When our new philosophy is about playing out from the back? God no... Kouyate should be used to harass and tackle against the good teams. Every other game he should be on the bench. I like him and his energy...but he's not great at football.
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sprites

Auckland 05 Dec 21 7.35pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

He shouldn't be played in the middle, he should be played at the back.

Really? When our new philosophy is about playing out from the back? God no...

Kouyate should be used to harass and tackle against the good teams. Every other game he should be on the bench. I like him and his energy...but he's not great at football.

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PatrickA London 05 Dec 21 8.06pm
The important thing is that Vieira recognised the failings against both Villa and today and did not seek to make excuses about facing new manager bounce. From the press conference today he said, - we weren�t brave enough on the ball - we didn�t play between the lines to give them problems - there were too many long balls - our forwards didn�t hold the ball up well enough. He thought we did quite well defensively but not offensively. This gives the impression that the team didn�t play as instructed and I�ve no doubt changes will be made if this pattern continues. And this is at should be - no favourites. We have the squad now to make changes. He also said he had planned to give Hughes some time today, but when we went a goal behind he put on more attacking players instead.
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London 05 Dec 21 8.06pm

The important thing is that Vieira recognised the failings against both Villa and today and did not seek to make excuses about facing new manager bounce.
From the press conference today he said,
- we weren�t brave enough on the ball
- we didn�t play between the lines to give them problems
- there were too many long balls
- our forwards didn�t hold the ball up well enough.
He thought we did quite well defensively but not offensively.
This gives the impression that the team didn�t play as instructed and I�ve no doubt changes will be made if this pattern continues.
And this is at should be - no favourites.
We have the squad now to make changes.
He also said he had planned to give Hughes some time today, but when we went a goal behind he put on more attacking players instead.

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chris123 hove actually 05 Dec 21 9.18pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio that was probably the weakest ManUre we have faced in many years. its a pity Ayew missed, but i have run out of patience with both him and Benteke. I thought Wilf was worse.
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hove actually 05 Dec 21 9.18pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

that was probably the weakest ManUre we have faced in many years.

its a pity Ayew missed, but i have run out of patience with both him and Benteke.

I thought Wilf was worse.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 05 Dec 21 9.18pm
Originally posted by sprites Really? When our new philosophy is about playing out from the back? God no... Kouyate should be used to harass and tackle against the good teams. Every other game he should be on the bench. I like him and his energy...but he's not great at football. There is no set up where any player is useful if his passing is below the standard required, he had a bad day at the office highlighted by the standards of the opposition ..which also highlights the reason why he plays for us.
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Cornwall 05 Dec 21 9.18pm

Originally posted by sprites

Really? When our new philosophy is about playing out from the back? God no...

Kouyate should be used to harass and tackle against the good teams. Every other game he should be on the bench. I like him and his energy...but he's not great at football.

There is no set up where any player is useful if his passing is below the standard required, he had a bad day at the office highlighted by the standards of the opposition ..which also highlights the reason why he plays for us.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 05 Dec 21 9.48pm
Originally posted by chris123 I thought Wilf was worse. Benteke and Ayew are easy targets sadly.
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Cornwall 05 Dec 21 9.48pm

Originally posted by chris123

I thought Wilf was worse.

Benteke and Ayew are easy targets sadly.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 05 Dec 21 9.59pm
Originally posted by PatrickA The important thing is that Vieira recognised the failings against both Villa and today and did not seek to make excuses about facing new manager bounce. From the press conference today he said, - we weren�t brave enough on the ball - we didn�t play between the lines to give them problems - there were too many long balls - our forwards didn�t hold the ball up well enough. He thought we did quite well defensively but not offensively. This gives the impression that the team didn�t play as instructed and I�ve no doubt changes will be made if this pattern continues. And this is at should be - no favourites. We have the squad now to make changes. He also said he had planned to give Hughes some time today, but when we went a goal behind he put on more attacking players instead. It gives me the impression that the opposition prevented us from playing as instructed.
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Tickled pink

Cornwall 05 Dec 21 9.59pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

The important thing is that Vieira recognised the failings against both Villa and today and did not seek to make excuses about facing new manager bounce.
From the press conference today he said,
- we weren�t brave enough on the ball
- we didn�t play between the lines to give them problems
- there were too many long balls
- our forwards didn�t hold the ball up well enough.
He thought we did quite well defensively but not offensively.
This gives the impression that the team didn�t play as instructed and I�ve no doubt changes will be made if this pattern continues.
And this is at should be - no favourites.
We have the squad now to make changes.
He also said he had planned to give Hughes some time today, but when we went a goal behind he put on more attacking players instead.

It gives me the impression that the opposition prevented us from playing as instructed.

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PatrickA London 05 Dec 21 10.28pm
Perhaps Vieira saw the game differently to you. He made no mention of United preventing us from playing. He was clearly unhappy with our use of the ball and our offensive display on the day. He was also critical of the Villa performance. Personally I find it refreshing that he doesn't seek to pull the wool over people's eyes and offers constructive criticism when warranted. Originally posted by Tickled pink It gives me the impression that the opposition prevented us from playing as instructed.
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London 05 Dec 21 10.28pm

Perhaps Vieira saw the game differently to you.
He made no mention of United preventing us from playing.
He was clearly unhappy with our use of the ball and our offensive display on the day.
He was also critical of the Villa performance.
Personally I find it refreshing that he doesn't seek to pull the wool over people's eyes and offers constructive criticism when warranted.

Originally posted by Tickled pink

It gives me the impression that the opposition prevented us from playing as instructed.

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sprites Auckland 05 Dec 21 10.43pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink There is no set up where any player is useful if his passing is below the standard required, he had a bad day at the office highlighted by the standards of the opposition ..which also highlights the reason why he plays for us. Nah, not for me. Kouyate at CB in our new system would scare the crap out of me. Would prefer Jairo.
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Auckland 05 Dec 21 10.43pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Nah, not for me. Kouyate at CB in our new system would scare the crap out of me. Would prefer Jairo.

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antipodeagle Wellington 05 Dec 21 11.36pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink Benteke and Ayew are easy targets sadly. Absolutely. Benteke got very little service. Ayew worked his socks off and won us lots of fouls: he was the only one relieving some of the pressure on us in the first half. Kouyate also did what it says on the tin: worked really hard, defended well, made lots of tackles and covered the back four. He's not in there for his slick passing. Yet players like Schlupp who I don't think touched the ball in the first half and remained anonymous in the second, and seem to fulfil no discernible role, don't get much of a mention. Gallagher was terrible today by his own standards, and even chickened out of a couple of challenges where he looked favourite to win the ball, but without someone else in midfield to share the load and give him a passing option, he has some excuse.
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Wellington 05 Dec 21 11.36pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Benteke and Ayew are easy targets sadly.

Absolutely. Benteke got very little service. Ayew worked his socks off and won us lots of fouls: he was the only one relieving some of the pressure on us in the first half.

Kouyate also did what it says on the tin: worked really hard, defended well, made lots of tackles and covered the back four. He's not in there for his slick passing.

Yet players like Schlupp who I don't think touched the ball in the first half and remained anonymous in the second, and seem to fulfil no discernible role, don't get much of a mention. Gallagher was terrible today by his own standards, and even chickened out of a couple of challenges where he looked favourite to win the ball, but without someone else in midfield to share the load and give him a passing option, he has some excuse.

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thai-eagle chiang mai 05 Dec 21 11.39pm
Originally posted by 1969eagle We really miss Anderson. Makes playing out from the back very difficult. McArthur is also a big miss. Ayew is essential when we are defending against much better sides like United. The big test will be when we have players away for Africa nations cup soon (zaha, schlupp, ayew? Kouyate). But good news is that will be an opp for olise Eze and others to start 🥳 Seeing those leaving for Africa Cup (bar WZ), I wished it started today and lasted till the end of January (at least).
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chiang mai 05 Dec 21 11.39pm

Originally posted by 1969eagle

We really miss Anderson. Makes playing out from the back very difficult. McArthur is also a big miss. Ayew is essential when we are defending against much better sides like United. The big test will be when we have players away for Africa nations cup soon (zaha, schlupp, ayew? Kouyate). But good news is that will be an opp for olise Eze and others to start 🥳

Seeing those leaving for Africa Cup (bar WZ), I wished it started today and lasted till the end of January (at least).

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