I wasn't talking about sending Trump or Clinton to jail, as far as I know there are no formal criminal filings against either for anything relating to Epstein anyway. I'm talking judgements we make against people in the general sense... I'm sure you've already made judgements against Epstein himself? I know I've made my judgement about Prince Andrew... So do you feel differently about Clinton's involvement with Epstein than you do Trump?

Also I think you bar for culpability in all this is high, surely even if individuals didn't engage directly in inappropriate acts of criminality with trafficked people, you would still want to see justice to people that aided and abetted Epstein, including turning a blind eye.

Interestingly, Twitter are ruthlessly burning accounts that are reporting the trial. Big tech has much to hide, perhaps.

It's creepy and fascinating but there will be so much that we will never know. It certainly seems implied that many rich and powerful individuals were recorded in compromising situations (to put it mildly) and that intelligence agencies (likely US and Israel) propped up Epstein or turned a blind eye due to the leverage this gave them. So in all likelihood said agencies were fueling this depravity.

I read the thought the other day that it's not always a mistake that people allow themselves to be compromised, and may instead often be a 'tool' to allow yourself to rise to the top, helped by those who know that you can be controlled like a pawn as you ascend. A kind of fasustian bargain. No doubt a little conspiratorial but I bet there's often some truth to the process, as I doubt powerful individuals or governments want principled individuals getting in their way.

Epstein likely held a lot of sway due to his role in this, and legally was treated in such a way for the longest time. Perhaps he became too much of a liability. I expect he feared for his life on the outside, and certainly wasn't safe inside either. Maxwells trial looks very minimal in what its covering. Just enough to make it all go away no doubt and create a false narrative that justice has been done.

It's creepy and fascinating but there will be so much that we will never know. It certainly seems implied that many rich and powerful individuals were recorded in compromising situations (to put it mildly) and that intelligence agencies (likely US and Israel) propped up Epstein or turned a blind eye due to the leverage this gave them. So in all likelihood said agencies were fueling this depravity.

I read the thought the other day that it's not always a mistake that people allow themselves to be compromised, and may instead often be a 'tool' to allow yourself to rise to the top, helped by those who know that you can be controlled like a pawn as you ascend. A kind of fasustian bargain. No doubt a little conspiratorial but I bet there's often some truth to the process, as I doubt powerful individuals or governments want principled individuals getting in their way.

Epstein likely held a lot of sway due to his role in this, and legally was treated in such a way for the longest time. Perhaps he became too much of a liability. I expect he feared for his life on the outside, and certainly wasn't safe inside either. Maxwells trial looks very minimal in what its covering. Just enough to make it all go away no doubt and create a false narrative that justice has been done.

I'd say that's a reasonable line of thought.

Quite.

Though some might say that next you'll be saying 'they are turning the frogs gay'.

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Still, I agree and this was probably happening before Epstein as it will after him.

The scary thing is that this whole Epstein situation has been damped down and the media have kept away from investigating and digging.

That tells you all you really need to know.....real power.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2021 5.15pm)