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  Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 22 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's less of a trial and more of a cover up. It's just another example of how corrupt it all is. The Panama papers is another example. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jan 2022 2.00pm) Here we have another video from a source known to present conspiracy theories as fact, posted on the Hol as evidence of "how corrupt" it all is. In other postings "The Matrix" is quoted as an example of how things really are and how the "elite" can make evidence disappear. For me this is solid evidence of how minds get poisoned by watching too many movies, and videos, with deliberately far-fetched themes, with no basis in reality. Fine as escapism but dangerous when allowed to seep into daily consciousness. Those who trawl the internet looking for things which support their biases will always eventually find something. This video, presented by another weedy looking self-important guy with too much time on his hands, comes from Styxhexenhammer666, who was born as Tarl Warwick. He is an "occultist" (believer in the supernatural and the power of magic), and promoter of alt right themes. Why on earth his musings are considered valid beats me.
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| Matov 02 Jan 22 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Those ideals and principles are perfectly sound and valid. The issue is that we have a leadership in the West now who only serve themselves. Essentially our political system has evolved in such a way that we have allowed Sociopaths to effectively rule over us. Your modern western politician has been 'willing themselves to power' for probably decades. Usually starting off in their teens. These people are greedy, corrupt, almost always with some kind of perversion and, rarely, idealistic. But they all share a craving for power that is beyond the comprehension of 95% of the population (and which is the part of their makeup which fascinates me). Our system of how we are governed is at the core of why we have the political elite we do and in a day and age in which 'poverty' is effectively, on historical comparison, wiped out at least in the west, its essentially a sinister form of show business for ugly people.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jan 22 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Those ideals and principles are perfectly sound and valid. The issue is that we have a leadership in the West now who only serve themselves. Essentially our political system has evolved in such a way that we have allowed Sociopaths to effectively rule over us. Your modern western politician has been 'willing themselves to power' for probably decades. Usually starting off in their teens. These people are greedy, corrupt, almost always with some kind of perversion and, rarely, idealistic. But they all share a craving for power that is beyond the comprehension of 95% of the population (and which is the part of their makeup which fascinates me). Our system of how we are governed is at the core of why we have the political elite we do and in a day and age in which 'poverty' is effectively, on historical comparison, wiped out at least in the west, its essentially a sinister form of show business for ugly people. Edited by Matov (02 Jan 2022 1.38pm) I largely agree and if you don't mind I'll add on to your thoughts. I think society has always been elite led and hence the narratives presented to us plebs has always been filtered and misaligned with the actual truth.....This is true even for eras within which I think were far better in terms of truth and liberty. So for me, this disfigurement has always been about extent and direction of message. Social/neo liberalism has proven itself less interested in the marketplace of ideas and actual liberty than social conservatism....for liberalism meritocracy does not have the same undisturbed prominence that it had/has for social conservatism.....Also rather ironically social/neo liberalism has shown itself as just as prepared to be as authoritarian as any other system. You can just watch a talk show from the past...say 70s or 80s and compare its candor and diversity of opinion, and sometimes depth of analysis, with the stuff you get offered up today. I would also say that social conservatism's social norms and loyalty to social and ethic cohesion are radically different to neo/social liberalism....and the consequences of that are playing out on our societies as we speak. There is a big generational factor in display here. Compared to the leaders of previous generations we have a significant reduction in quality, loyalty and principle. More power has been given and fed to the wealthiest than ever before and what is projected as leaders are in some ways muppets for decisions taken above their pay grades.
Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2022 2.09pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jan 22 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Here we have another video from a source known to present conspiracy theories as fact, posted on the Hol as evidence of "how corrupt" it all is. In other postings "The Matrix" is quoted as an example of how things really are and how the "elite" can make evidence disappear. For me this is solid evidence of how minds get poisoned by watching too many movies, and videos, with deliberately far-fetched themes, with no basis in reality. Fine as escapism but dangerous when allowed to seep into daily consciousness. Those who trawl the internet looking for things which support their biases will always eventually find something. This video, presented by another weedy looking self-important guy with too much time on his hands, comes from Styxhexenhammer666, who was born as Tarl Warwick. He is an "occultist" (believer in the supernatural and the power of magic), and promoter of alt right themes. Why on earth his musings are considered valid beats me. He did have a valid point about who were these girls trafficked for? A valid question, we will now see if the authorities wish to pursue it if they don't then that stinks.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jan 22 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
He did have a valid point about who were these girls trafficked for? A valid question, we will now see if the authorities wish to pursue it if they don't then that stinks. I think there are multiple avenues that stink....as others have stated the media and evidence suppression can't be allowed to stand. But I'm not seeing anyone in the MSM pushing back, do you? I think that's a pretty powerful indication. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2022 2.07pm)
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| Matov 02 Jan 22 2.21pm |
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Even if you think all conspiracy theories are utter nonsense, in this Epstein case you have numerous examples of things that are not right.
Any suicide in a prison is taken incredibly seriously. They are never just written off as one of those things. And yet charges are just dropped? With the paperwork delayed until after this GM trial? And the news released on a New Years Eve Friday? Sorry, it stinks. Absolutely rotten. And even if you dismiss all conspiracy theories as complete bunkum, this one raises so many unanswered questions that it's impossible not to raise at least a single eyebrow at the official version.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jan 22 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Here we have another video from a source known to present conspiracy theories as fact, posted on the Hol as evidence of "how corrupt" it all is. In other postings "The Matrix" is quoted as an example of how things really are and how the "elite" can make evidence disappear. For me this is solid evidence of how minds get poisoned by watching too many movies, and videos, with deliberately far-fetched themes, with no basis in reality. Fine as escapism but dangerous when allowed to seep into daily consciousness. Those who trawl the internet looking for things which support their biases will always eventually find something. This video, presented by another weedy looking self-important guy with too much time on his hands, comes from Styxhexenhammer666, who was born as Tarl Warwick. He is an "occultist" (believer in the supernatural and the power of magic), and promoter of alt right themes. Why on earth his musings are considered valid beats me. This really p1sses me off....to the extent that I feel that I should respond to this clown....who doesn't really care about any even handed representation. Actually, I've occasionally watched this guy for years. He's a classical libertarian and as such will debate and talk to anybody regardless of politics. That means he gets tarred with being alt right.....because the kind of 2 minute google clowns like you do serves the summary of leftists and the establishment. Having a user name as a vblogger is a completely common practice and it's puerile to even mention it. Sure, this guy is an 'occultist'....how much he actually believes in it though I couldn't say. I suspect that, like me, most of us aren't and so aren't interested in that stuff....You know, no one has to believe the same things to have relevant topics to discuss and listen to.....What have you ever questioned? Someone like you just will spread whatever your leftist neo liberal establishment propaganda is against anyone who questions its narratives. Just as you did here....No interest in the actual arguments....just attack the person. You don't care about what's true, because as your posts on here have proven over years you question nothing.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 22 11.02pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
He did have a valid point about who were these girls trafficked for? A valid question, we will now see if the authorities wish to pursue it if they don't then that stinks. If there is evidence I am sure it will be pursued, but from all I have read this seems more as though it was for his own amusement than anything else. We'll see. The criticism was directed at the way something like this can be built up into a wild fantasy of widespread corruption by those with no information and even less insight, which is then referenced as something worth considering, just because someone makes a video.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jan 22 11.19pm |
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Incredible....just fecking incredible.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jan 22 11.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This really p1sses me off....to the extent that I feel that I should respond to this clown....who doesn't really care about any even handed representation. Actually, I've occasionally watched this guy for years. He's a classical libertarian and as such will debate and talk to anybody regardless of politics. That means he gets tarred with being alt right.....because the kind of 2 minute google clowns like you do serves the summary of leftists and the establishment. Having a user name as a vblogger is a completely common practice and it's puerile to even mention it. Sure, this guy is an 'occultist'....how much he actually believes in it though I couldn't say. I suspect that, like me, most of us aren't and so aren't interested in that stuff....You know, no one has to believe the same things to have relevant topics to discuss and listen to.....What have you ever questioned? Someone like you just will spread whatever your leftist neo liberal establishment propaganda is against anyone who questions its narratives. Just as you did here....No interest in the actual arguments....just attack the person. You don't care about what's true, because as your posts on here have proven over years you question nothing.
More ad hominems. This is now as predictable as it is unacceptable rule breaking. I criticised the source of the video and not who posted the link to it. Firstly, before any arguments are considered it is necessary to know something about who is making them, and why they might be doing so. Secondly, because as anyone these days can make a video why should their opinion matter more than any other? Unless someone is an expert on the subject, with specialist knowledge, or has access to a team of researchers, all you get is an opinion. If that opinion comes from a source with a history of a bias, and who has promoted alt right positions, then that needs to be understood. Of course, I care about what's true. I hope we all do. You are though extremely unlikely to find it when looking at this type of material. All you will do is find confirmation for your own biases, which is why people of the right will look at it, and I won't. I will look at researched, studious, balanced and analytical pieces published by serious journalists. Online only videos of this type are not worth, in Jim Royle's famous put down, "the steam off my piss". So that's what pisses me off!
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jan 22 11.23pm |
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The guy who says he isn't the site policeman tells us about 'unacceptable rule breaking'. He might as well be wearing a red nose. If he's going to insist on posting at me, he's going to have suck up the criticism I'm going to directly aim at him for every single disfigurement he posts that bothers me. He only gets back what he gives out. You made that choice, so you can suck it up.
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cryrst  The garden of England 02 Jan 22 11.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
More ad hominems. This is now as predictable as it is unacceptable rule breaking. I criticised the source of the video and not who posted the link to it. Firstly, before any arguments are considered it is necessary to know something about who is making them, and why they might be doing so. Secondly, because as anyone these days can make a video why should their opinion matter more than any other? Unless someone is an expert on the subject, with specialist knowledge, or has access to a team of researchers, all you get is an opinion. If that opinion comes from a source with a history of a bias, and who has promoted alt right positions, then that needs to be understood. Of course, I care about what's true. I hope we all do. You are though extremely unlikely to find it when looking at this type of material. All you will do is find confirmation for your own biases, which is why people of the right will look at it, and I won't. I will look at researched, studious, balanced and analytical pieces published by serious journalists. Online only videos of this type are not worth, in Jim Royle's famous put down, "the steam off my piss". So that's what pisses me off! Well stop posting within the post and just post a reply.
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